Assembly Lines #113.4: LEDBright Apple II - Live Build with Friends

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Assembly Lines #113.4: LEDBright Apple II - Live Build with Friends

Chris Torrence

The Kit: https://jcm-1.com/product-category/ledbright/ KansasFest: https://www.kansasfest.org My t-shirt and Apple II store: https://ct6502.org/shop/ Javier's t-shirt store: https://www.8bittees.com Joe's Computer Museum: https://www.youtube.com/JoesComputerMuseum 00:00:00: So don't say anything weird like social security numbers. 00:00:04: Social security numbers. 00:00:06: What did you say your social security number was? 00:00:14: All right. 00:00:15: Let's see if people can actually see and hear stuff. 00:00:21: I would assume so. 00:00:24: I've got her on mine. 00:00:27: I've got her on mine. 00:00:30: How come I don't hear? 00:00:31: Whose audio are we actually hearing? 00:00:37: I am having a stream error. 00:00:42: Yeah, we're having some echo too. 00:00:45: I can hear it too, Chris. 00:00:47: Oh, there I am. 00:00:49: I don't think it's me. 00:00:51: I don't know who I do. 00:00:54: I think it's on Joe's end. 00:00:57: Yeah, I'm on a headset. 00:00:58: Yeah, we're having some echo too. 00:01:12: I can hear it too, Chris. 00:01:13: You hear it. 00:01:16: I don't think it's me. 00:01:18: I can. 00:01:20: Let's try me. 00:01:24: Let's try me. 00:01:26: Go away. 00:01:29: Go away. 00:01:31: Nope. 00:01:33: It's still . 00:01:34: There you go away. 00:01:49: Hello. 00:01:50: Hello, hello, hello. 00:01:53: Hello. 00:01:54: Hello, hello, hello. 00:01:55: It's still echoing. 00:01:57: Yep. 00:01:59: It's still echoing. 00:02:01: Yep. 00:02:03: It's still echoing. 00:02:04: Yep. 00:02:07: It's still echoing. 00:02:10: Is echoing still there now? 00:02:26: Test, test, test. 00:02:27: Are you there now? 00:02:29: Yes. 00:02:29: Yes. 00:02:33: It's not on my end. 00:02:34: I have headphones in, so there's nothing that's going to be picked up. 00:02:37: It's not on my end. 00:02:38: I have headphones in, so there's nothing that's going to be picked up. 00:02:41: Yeah, it's true. 00:02:41: You're echoing. 00:02:42: Do we have a readout on everybody? 00:02:45: Yeah, you're echoing. 00:02:46: Do we have a readout on... 00:02:48: Can you mute, Chris? 00:02:50: I think you can mute people. 00:02:57: Can you mute me? 00:03:00: Let me mute myself. 00:03:01: Let's see what happens. 00:03:01: Let's see what happens. 00:03:02: Okay. 00:03:18: Joe, you're muted. 00:03:19: Let's see if you can echo. 00:03:21: Test, test, test. 00:03:22: You're muted. 00:03:23: Yep, I hear the echo. 00:03:26: Test, test, test. 00:03:28: Yep, I hear the echo. 00:03:31: Me too. 00:03:33: Well, let me try muting me. 00:03:37: Well, let me try muting me. 00:03:42: Let me try muting me. 00:03:51: Is that better? 00:03:54: Is that better? 00:03:57: Nope. 00:04:00: Is that better? 00:04:02: No, that didn't seem to change anything. 00:04:07: No, that didn't seem to change anything. 00:04:11: I guess, is there any chance, Javier, you have two mics? 00:04:16: I guess, is there any chance, Javier, you have two mics? 00:04:18: no i'm muted yeah i don't know then i don't know where it's coming from 00:04:27: oh i'm muted i'm gonna go get a pair of headphones just to make sure i'm not part of the problem 00:04:32: okay 00:04:34: make sure i'm not part of the problem 00:04:36: okay 00:04:39: okay 00:04:43: can you hear me now 00:05:08: the dulcet tones 00:05:10: is there any echo 00:05:12: i don't know to hear it 00:05:15: is there any echo 00:05:17: i don't know to hear it 00:05:20: let's see chris then it's chris because you know he's he's about to connect 00:05:23: can you can you hear any echo now 00:05:29: i do not hear any echo do you hear any 00:05:33: it was chris 00:05:38: no couldn't be 00:05:41: because you connected and you know 00:05:43: it stopped 00:05:44: wait 00:05:46: yep 00:05:47: i still hear it 00:05:49: do you because i'm not hearing it 00:05:51: me neither 00:05:52: let me disconnect my headphones 00:05:56: can you hear me 00:05:58: yep 00:05:59: echo 00:06:01: no echo 00:06:04: you guys don't hear an echo 00:06:09: nope 00:06:10: chris i'm gonna take you send you to a course in zoom 00:06:16: okay hold on how's that 00:06:20: that good 00:06:21: i think so it sounds okay to me 00:06:25: all right i'm gonna try something hold on 00:06:28: all right 00:06:30: let's see 00:06:35: okay 00:06:36: seeing this system 00:06:38: okay is it echoing now 00:06:41: no i don't believe so 00:06:46: what was it 00:06:50: scary 00:06:51: all right 00:06:57: i think it was my youtube stream 00:06:58: that was the problem 00:06:59: oh okay 00:07:01: i think it was it was going in some way i know terrible terrible 00:07:05: all right 00:07:07: cool can you all hear me 00:07:13: indeed 00:07:14: good 00:07:15: i muted myself accidentally 00:07:17: and was waving at the camera asking somebody to unmute me 00:07:20: without realizing it was my own fault 00:07:22: don't worry we didn't care 00:07:25: seven minutes that wasn't too bad to troubleshoot 00:07:28: no honestly and considering uh how long it usually takes for live streams to start i think that's pretty good 00:07:34: okay good 00:07:35: excellent 00:07:35: all right 00:07:37: joe do you want to do you want to do the intro 00:07:39: sure 00:07:40: how are we all doing today 00:07:43: yay 00:07:46: so this is the the joe stream with fred 00:07:50: uh i want to double check uh my stream my live stream over here my folks are saying i don't have some people don't have audio if you can't hear me uh yell at me um so uh of course if they can't hear me they can't see that i'm saying that um 00:08:05: is the audio here 00:08:09: i'm doing the same thing i'm typing into my channel to see if people can hear 00:08:14: so uh this is uh lead bright with friends uh we've got uh me because i'm awesome no i'm kidding 00:08:22: uh we got uh uh chris torrance here of assembly vines podcast and the uh k-fest of fame 00:08:29: who's uh recent stream uh live streams about uh building the apple 2 plus board are flipping 00:08:35: awesome so if you haven't seen his channel go check it out if you're watching on his channel 00:08:39: why are you watching on my channel um 00:08:44: what 00:08:45: my channel my channel 00:08:47: i don't know why 00:08:52: what are you doing joe 00:09:00: sorry i was just checking my my audio there um we've got uh we've got javier rivera of retro bright 00:09:08: fame the guy who knows everything to make your uh your old school plastics uh look exactly like new 00:09:16: uh no audio from joe they're telling me um we'll check that in a minute um we've got uh alex jacox 00:09:25: here um it is alex correct 00:09:27: indeed it is 00:09:29: okay good uh alex is here he helped me design the uh 3d case for the led bright project uh and also 00:09:38: helped me clean up the led bright project board fight nice kids no joe here either 00:09:45: well they should be able to hear me i'm not sure why we can hear you yeah if we you guys can hear 00:09:53: me they can't hear me for some reason what about obf is there something funky yeah yeah blah blah blah 00:10:01: blah yeah i don't think uh my mic is working correctly interesting yeah we can hear you clearly 00:10:06: yeah that's weird 00:10:08: what about that nope anyway um this is this is turning out to be a large technical nightmare 00:10:22: no wait till wait till we get to kansas fest with 400 people all giving their opinions on why 00:10:31: it isn't working and how we can fix it 00:10:33: right because everyone's gonna think that they know 00:10:40: i'm looking forward to it yes and it'll turn out to be somebody on an apple 2 trying to use zoom 00:10:48: that's gonna be like goofing it up or something so not sure 00:10:52: why they can't hear me joe do you want us to just talk about the kit or something like that 00:11:00: yeah yeah sir i'm just trying to fix the audio issues um my my my folks can't hear me let me tell 00:11:07: them to go over to your stream um hey check check out chris 00:11:13: for audio i'm working on it um so yeah so the kit basically is this at k fest last year 2020 or 2019 00:11:26: um i made a door hanger slash um uh door hanger uh slash uh uh tie that was a light up led of the 00:11:38: uh apple 2 logo um and that uh uh got a lot of uh a lot of uh cool traction people like that um 00:11:47: and like i want to buy one i want to make can you do that as a kit and whatever so um i decided to 00:11:53: make a kit of it so that's what this thing uh here is um basically it's a 16 by 16 grid where you can 00:12:00: put in your own leds you put in your own resistors you plug it into usb and it lights up it's got uh 00:12:06: it's got the panel here it also comes with a couple of little legs that connect to the top that you can 00:12:12: snap off so that you can slot it in together like a saw 00:12:18: so that it stands up and so what we're doing today is we're going to be uh doing a little assembly with 00:12:30: friends of putting this thing together of the four of us uh seeing who uh yes thank chris for the link 00:12:39: uh to see who wins the contest um whoever wins gets bragging rights that they soldered faster 00:12:47: um because everybody here's gotta i gave uh yeah uh-huh there you go alex uh i gave everybody uh 00:12:54: uh uh a kit here to assemble so we're going to uh get to putting that together here in just a moment 00:13:01: so um everybody have all their uh their their toys and bits and pieces ready you have all your 00:13:08: all your pieces of your kit ready for us sir yes sir the kit itself do you want to talk at all about 00:13:15: the the the kit itself i don't know if i missed that or what but just yep i was just getting into that 00:13:20: so okay the kit itself of course comes with the board um and then a set of instructions on how to 00:13:28: do it if you already know how to do soldering it's pretty straightforward um it'll come with uh depending 00:13:35: on what pattern you you decide to pick it will come with a color pattern for the uh for the uh led kit 00:13:43: that matches that um i only have one led kit available for it right now the fruit kit as i call 00:13:50: it because you know reasons um but it comes with a the full set of uh leds and little baggies that 00:13:57: i count and i double count um hopefully and i don't miscount them when i'm sending them out to people 00:14:03: i shouldn't um it also comes with a counted set of resistors to match those leds uh and the resistors 00:14:11: themselves are uh fairly closely matched for the brightness of the leds the green it green blue and 00:14:18: pink leds tend to be um tend to be brighter than the uh the kind of warmer color leds so uh there's two 00:14:26: different um there's two different resistor sets to ensure that the leds have a more uniform brightness 00:14:32: um i've also cranked up the uh the resistor values from the original um prototype because um 00:14:41: uh as people were saying k-fest 2020 my god my god it's burning my retinas um 00:14:47: so yeah kate who is on my channel right now yes she was the one who was uh yeah bringing that up 00:14:56: yeah she said she wants it on a dimmer switch yeah 00:15:00: let me see 00:15:04: uh a dimmer yeah dimmer switch that would be awesome 00:15:09: so i'm not sure why my audio is not working here um 00:15:14: i really want to get that working so that you know people who come back to the stream here can uh 00:15:21: hear it uh on my side i know what's i know the main problem is that the meeting has taken over my mic 00:15:30: so my mic isn't being picked up on um on zoom or on uh the broadcaster here so i'm just trying to 00:15:36: figure out how to get that uh get that oh is there that working table your 00:15:43: i think i just got it working can everybody hear me 00:15:48: i can but of course we can still hear you uh javier he's given up he's walked away 00:15:58: i'm back i can hear you eric kate patrick 00:16:04: can you hear can you hear joe 00:16:08: anybody 00:16:11: i'm watching the chat 00:16:14: yep there we go you're on that's some feedback okay i just have my speakers up too loud okay cool 00:16:21: so that's uh that's better than nothing let's move my mic over there so that there's less feedback 00:16:26: cool finally i fixed it apparently you have to enable the microphone that's a thing 00:16:31: so uh anyway back to uh back to the kit here um uh quick recap comes with the board comes with leds 00:16:40: uh comes with a full set of instructions to show you how to assemble everything um along with uh 00:16:47: special important safety notes and bright yellow for those who uh aren't familiar with soldering and 00:16:53: don't understand that you're going to be melting metal with a very very hot uh implement um uh and uh 00:17:00: information on how to assemble the 3d case as well it'll also optionally uh you can uh get a 3d 3d case 00:17:09: for it that is wonderfully designed by alex there for me thank you alex that was a really good and 00:17:17: really awesome of you um even put the little uh the little um floppy drive slot and it was pretty cool 00:17:23: um uh this case too again it assembles together kind of like so and it has a little feet feet too so 00:17:32: if you want the uh you want the chassis to stand up you can put the put it in the feet and it stands up 00:17:38: on so you know if it put both feet in it um yeah so that's that's the basics of of the the whole setup 00:17:48: and at the end of the uh end of the stream here um feedback okay fine um so the uh at the end of the 00:17:59: stream here i'll give you all a link to where you can get one of these if you want to if you're a soldering 00:18:03: type person uh who wants to do that so um are we all ready to go uh did we tell everybody what 00:18:10: we're doing here we're doing basically a contest to see who can build it fastest and whoever uh gets 00:18:16: uh gets to the hey javier started early no i haven't oh no i haven't paying attention i just aligned my 00:18:26: things okay um so uh whoever wins gets bragging rights at the end i suppose so that's basically 00:18:34: it are we all ready to go wait does it actually have to work at the end or just look complete 00:18:42: uh i would say uh i said at the beginning i think um when my audio was broken that uh it does have to 00:18:51: work um but if i forgot to send you one or two leds because i miscounted that's not a disqualification 00:18:58: that's me fake that's me having a failure all right um because me and math are a thing so cool beans are 00:19:06: we all ready to go i think so yep i'm ready to go let's do it all right cool beans i got a question already 00:19:18: sure go ahead would you recommend doing um resistors first and then do the leds or do them at the same 00:19:27: time or what i would suggest doing the leds first um because they're they're shorter and then you can 00:19:36: do resistors next is that is that because the resistors have to end up sticking up because yeah 00:19:42: to save space i folded them over so they they stick upright off the board okay long like you know 00:19:49: you can do it however you want of course uh the uh these are the leds are polarized so you want to 00:19:56: ensure that the left uh or the long lead goes towards the left in each slot that you put it in um if you 00:20:03: don't uh best case scenario the the led just won't light up so um this goes here 00:20:14: why don't i have a feeling that i'm already goofed up one two three what what's that you 00:20:20: you goofed up already yeah you gotta go through i'm just making sure um i made sure as well to uh 00:20:29: uh label the uh the lights on the board or the slots the lights the leds go into on the board 00:20:37: and it's a grid uh kind of like hexadecimal zero to zero f if you look on the grid here for example 00:20:45: this is row zero column a so that's right here so it helps you uh get things aligned when you're putting 00:20:55: the uh the leds in all right resistors go down and to the left of each led 00:21:08: le let's see long leg to the left because that's positive 00:21:15: and if we goof one of those up the whole thing is just not going to light up right because if you 00:21:19: goop that up only that led won't light it's just it'll be in reverse clarity let me know if i'm 00:21:24: noisy nope you're not noisy over here you sound good thanks sounds good 00:21:33: all right javier are you using a fan to i'm a fan of turning fans okay uh am i okay i think so 00:21:44: that's what i'm going to do is that i'm going to do is that i'm going to do is that i'm going to do 00:21:49: the LEDs and the LEDs of course go in the the ones that are labeled D and then with a number and the 00:21:54: resistors go in the ones that are labeled R with a number okay um another way to know is that the ones 00:22:02: with the LEDs are the ones with the square pads yep and the square is negative there is usually 00:22:13: pin one yeah square is negative in this case okay 00:22:20: i may have uh not necessarily followed proper protocol in designing the board that way but i 00:22:26: don't care it works so yeah as long as it's consistent it's fine i think you did 00:22:34: you guys hear a little weird like beep in the background of the audio nope okay nope 00:22:41: i have the kansas fest discord up and running in the background and people are sending messages 00:22:46: and stuff there and it's that's making notifications 00:22:55: why is this like more nerve-wracking than when i put the apple tube board together 00:23:00: i i have to admit you've got me really tempted there chris i really would like to do that you know it was 00:23:07: it was actually a lot of fun and at first i was daunted just by the sheer amount of soldering but 00:23:12: it really didn't take that well i mean you know you've done tons so um question on the chat here 00:23:20: can one user make their board a close-up camera view yeah i think i can do that stand by 00:23:27: i could probably do that too yeah and i i can too as well as close as i can get it on mine 00:23:32: uh without smacking into the camera uh also we got is there a silk screen with component outlines uh 00:23:42: there's a silk screen yes um that uh shows the uh uh the uh led and resistor numbers but there's not 00:23:51: really uh an outline per se no it would be awfully busy given the density of the board considering we're 00:23:57: We're trying to make a graphic here. 00:23:59: It's, I think that silkscreen component outlines. 00:24:01: Normally I agree it's nice, 00:24:03: but I don't think it's really doable on this project. 00:24:07: And also that ended up being a kind of a, 00:24:10: a side effect of the design and the way I put it in, 00:24:14: in KCAD these, the component outlines that I used, 00:24:19: didn't, didn't have a silkscreen all the way around it anyway, 00:24:22: for whatever reason, it just didn't come out in the print. 00:24:24: So it kind of just ended up being a, a, a, 00:24:28: a nice side effect with that. 00:24:33: So I have to say this is kind of, 00:24:36: it's not necessarily my first PCB design, 00:24:40: but it's the first one that I had printed up in large quantities. 00:24:45: I did a couple of small circuit design PCBs 00:24:51: that were just tiny little chips that are, 00:24:53: do I have, there were about that size right there, 00:24:59: just to test, 00:25:01: to see if my circuit theory was correct when I was designing this board. 00:25:05: But this is really the first time I ever designed a PCB. 00:25:08: So if there's anybody out there who's like, oh, I can't do that. 00:25:11: I don't know what I'm doing. 00:25:12: That's BS. 00:25:14: Because I'm a, I'm a, just a college or not a college. 00:25:18: I'm just a high school graduate with no formal training or experience in anything, 00:25:23: electrical design computers or anything. 00:25:25: If I can sit down at a piece of software for two hours and figure out how to do it, 00:25:29: you can do it too. 00:25:31: And so. 00:25:31: Very much agree. 00:25:32: I'm completely self-taught as well. 00:25:34: Everything I've learned is through error. 00:25:36: I leave out the prior part. 00:25:38: So, you know, if you're like, oh, I don't know about that. 00:25:42: Just all you have to do is do some research and take your time. 00:25:46: And don't worry about trying to do it fast. 00:25:48: It's not unlike today's stream. 00:25:50: It's not a competition. 00:25:51: You're just trying to do it fast. 00:25:53: You know? 00:25:57: So I'm on the yellow LEDs now. 00:26:00: What? 00:26:03: I haven't started soldering yet. 00:26:05: Oh. 00:26:07: Freaking me out. 00:26:08: I'm just, I have a, although I do have a trick up my sleeve. 00:26:11: So you'll see in a minute. 00:26:17: Do we? 00:26:19: All righty then. 00:26:22: Let's see what's going on in the chat here. 00:26:24: Now I got two pairs of glasses on. 00:26:27: Live conversations is different than, let's see. 00:26:32: No. 00:26:32: Well, this is like a huge conversation. 00:26:38: Is there going to be a timer? 00:26:40: No, there's no timer, right? 00:26:41: We're just. 00:26:42: Allowing to people submit orders for custom art. 00:26:47: Good question, Kat. 00:26:49: In theory, yes. 00:26:51: I had thought about that. 00:26:57: I just have to figure out a way to do it. 00:26:59: What I would like to be able to do is have it be completely electronic to where you go on the website and you have like a draw grid where you can just draw on the, draw on the webpage. 00:27:09: And do it that way. 00:27:11: Yes. 00:27:12: Yes. 00:27:12: But yeah, custom, custom grid designs are fully supported if you like. 00:27:16: But yeah, custom grid designs are fully supported if you like. 00:27:20: The way I have the product set up on my website. 00:27:26: You buy, you can, you buy the board and then you get the LED kit separately. 00:27:33: So if you wanted to just buy the board and put your own LEDs in it, you can just do that. 00:27:39: I mean, it's, there's nothing really super fancy about the board itself. 00:27:42: It's just a 16 by 16 parallel grid of LEDs. 00:27:50: So you can throw whatever you want to at it. 00:27:51: You can make it like, I've seen a big thing lately where they fill, they fill it with, they're called shimmering LEDs. 00:28:00: They don't blink. 00:28:01: They kind of change their, they change their brightness and they get all out of de-sync with each other. 00:28:08: And so you can create this really pretty shimmering backlight type of thing. 00:28:12: You could use it to make your own, roll your own LED light panel for, for face cam stuff. 00:28:20: You can, you know, design it with a different logo if you like, or, you know, whatever you want. 00:28:26: You don't have to limit it to the kits I put, I put together. 00:28:30: You can do whatever you'd like. 00:28:32: And I have to admit, I was tempted to, to bomb the stream and do a, and change it to a Commodore logo. 00:28:38: I didn't. 00:28:39: No, don't do it. 00:28:42: Who, Commodore? 00:28:43: Who, Commodore? 00:28:46: No, but seriously though, you know, I want to see how well this first run works. 00:28:52: And then I can very easily create grid kits, you know, just new, new grids like this, where you can purchase the, purchase a light kit. 00:29:03: That's for the chicken lips logo or the, the Atari swoosh logo or whatever you like. 00:29:10: Nice. 00:29:11: Do we have a kit that says Boo Atari? 00:29:13: Yeah. 00:29:16: I'm not sure that the pixel resolution is high enough for that, but. 00:29:22: Let's do it in Morse. 00:29:25: Do it in Morse. 00:29:26: There you go. 00:29:27: Or binary. 00:29:31: It's a, let's see, it's 16 pixels across, 16 times 16. 00:29:38: That's a, that's a lot of bytes you can fit in there. 00:29:40: If you do, you could probably, I don't know, is it high enough resolution to do a QR code? 00:29:44: I don't know what the min resolution is for QR code. 00:29:51: Do you guys hear my, uh, my fan going? 00:29:53: Is that like super loud? 00:29:55: I do not. 00:29:56: Nope. 00:29:57: I don't hear it. 00:29:57: You don't hear it? 00:29:59: Nope. 00:30:00: Not at all. 00:30:00: Wow. 00:30:01: Red LED is next. 00:30:03: Cool. 00:30:05: All right. 00:30:05: I'm working on the purple slash pink or whatever you want to call them once. 00:30:09: Hopefully people can see what I'm doing since I'm not looking at the video. 00:30:14: Yeah, I can see it. 00:30:20: As you can see, this goes together pretty quickly. 00:30:24: It's a nice little fun afternoon project. 00:30:26: It's also, um, a good project if you're okay at soldering, but a lot of practice because 00:30:32: it's nice and repetitive and the pitch values are tight, but not super tight. 00:30:39: So it allows you to get a lot of practice doing, doing kind of close and soldering work. 00:30:43: It's not SMT level stuff, surface mount or anything like that. 00:30:48: Um, yeah, there's nothing real challenging and the board itself is, is pretty straightforward 00:30:52: and consistent. 00:30:52: So, so it's really nice if you're, it's like a learning to solder kit, if you want to do 00:30:58: that. 00:30:58: And when you're done, you know, you get, you get whatever pretty logo you want to design. 00:31:03: So. 00:31:05: Hey, Joe, I gotta, I gotta warn you. 00:31:09: So apparently my, uh, Zoom feed is 10 seconds ahead of you. 00:31:13: So I have a slight advantage. 00:31:16: Oh, okay. 00:31:17: I think, I think it's because I'm going straight from zoom to, uh, to YouTube and you're going 00:31:25: through OBS. 00:31:26: Oh, got it. 00:31:27: Got it. 00:31:27: Yeah. 00:31:28: There's a delay there. 00:31:30: Yep. 00:31:35: That's fine. 00:31:36: I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm having a lot of fun. 00:31:43: Yeah. 00:31:43: It's always fun. 00:31:44: And anything to solder together. 00:31:46: I highly recommend if anyone hasn't done it, you should really do it because it's so 00:31:50: much fun and so satisfying to complete building something. 00:31:54: And then the troubleshooting of course is part of the fun too. 00:31:57: So when something doesn't work, there's something wrong. 00:31:59: Figuring it out. 00:32:00: It's, it's really enjoyable. 00:32:02: At least I think. 00:32:02: And if you're lucky, uh, for those of us who are in the United States, if you wire 00:32:07: it up really, really wrong, wrong, you get free fireworks. 00:32:12: Oh, Steven. 00:32:14: I mean, uh, Joe, my brother-in-law, Steven has a question. 00:32:17: He wants to know, um, if you considered using addressable LEDs. 00:32:22: They're the. 00:32:23: Aha. 00:32:24: Yes. 00:32:25: So I have thought of that. 00:32:27: Uh, like NeoPixel or what is it? 00:32:28: The WS 83 27s or whatever they are. 00:32:31: I have thought of that. 00:32:34: Um, and that would be a really cool, uh, like version 2.0. 00:32:41: Okay. 00:32:41: And would allow you to basically, you know, you just hook it up to, uh, a serial line or 00:32:47: whatever and allow you to, um, to set it to whatever you wanted to. 00:32:50: And it could come, for example, as a pre-populated board. 00:32:53: And then folks could literally just, they plug it in and they use an Arduino or whatever programming 00:32:59: system they will. 00:33:00: I could even like include the Arduino on there if I wanted to. 00:33:03: Right. 00:33:03: Just a chip. 00:33:04: Um, uh, just an 18 mega chip. 00:33:08: But yeah, to allow people to create their own designs. 00:33:11: I decided not to go with that the first time around because I didn't want to be too ambitious 00:33:15: on the first run. 00:33:17: Um, I wanted to understand my theory and processes first, but also, um, those, uh, those NeoPixel 00:33:26: panels, those, those, those addressable, uh, LEDs are pre-made ubiquitous and a dime a dozen. 00:33:33: You can buy them in bulk from China. 00:33:35: Um, and I'm not sure I want to try to do that to compete with an existing product, uh, product. 00:33:40: Right, right, right, right. 00:33:42: You know that, I mean, yeah, if you wanted to do that, you can just, you get an Arduino 00:33:46: controller and a 32 by 32 NeoPixel panel and you hook it up and you throw patterns at it. 00:33:52: I mean, it's kind of a, that wheel's already been, been invented. 00:33:56: Um, another idea I had for this as well was to sell it as a kit with, um, 00:34:05: with machine pen standoffs, like sockets so that you could literally make it like an old 00:34:11: school light, right. 00:34:12: And change the LEDs at your leisure. 00:34:15: You could just plug them in and change whatever, change them to be whatever you wanted. 00:34:19: Um, that'd be cool. 00:34:21: There's a, you know, there's some extra complication and cost there, of course, but that could be, 00:34:27: you know, uh, a, uh, an optional kit where you're just buying, um, 256 of the little 00:34:34: uh, little headers to put in there and 00:34:38: Yep. 00:34:41: That'd be nice. 00:34:43: Downside with those is that those little headers, those little machine pen headers are 00:34:46: insanely expensive. 00:34:48: Yeah. 00:34:49: You have to buy them in large bulk before they become reasonable. 00:34:52: Yeah. 00:34:52: And you have to buy them in the strips as well. 00:34:54: And then cut the strips into bits to get the lowest per pin cost. 00:34:59: Yep. 00:34:59: I think I made a major error. 00:35:06: You guys see it? 00:35:08: Nope. 00:35:09: I am. 00:35:10: No, I didn't. 00:35:11: I am one whole row low. 00:35:13: Oh boy. 00:35:14: All my LEDs up by one row. 00:35:16: When you do this soldering, these little, these three millimeter LEDs is quite, quite a ticklish. 00:35:24: Now you got to be scared. 00:35:25: This is why though I haven't soldered them in yet. 00:35:27: Joe, how did you do that? 00:35:29: What did you, did you just start at the second row basically? 00:35:32: I skipped this middle row accidentally. 00:35:35: You skipped an entire row. 00:35:36: So I'm down by one whole row. 00:35:38: So I got to move them all. 00:35:40: Oh boy. 00:35:41: You know what age does. 00:35:42: Know that? 00:35:42: It's going to cost them the gold, you know? 00:35:47: I think the judges aren't going to like that. 00:35:53: It's all good. 00:35:55: Where's the East German judge? 00:35:57: Oh man. 00:35:59: Yep. 00:36:03: That's an old Olympics joke, depending on how old the people on the stream are. 00:36:08: Right. 00:36:08: How do I keep them down, the freaking LEDs? 00:36:15: Full bull eggs over. 00:36:16: If you see what I'm doing, Javier. 00:36:18: No. 00:36:19: What? 00:36:20: Just look at the back of the board. 00:36:21: You see the way I've folded them left and right? 00:36:24: Yeah. 00:36:24: I bend them all. 00:36:26: You don't have to, but it does make it easier. 00:36:30: Well, the difference is that you're smart. 00:36:32: I'm not. 00:36:32: Well, I've also built about a thousand PCBs. 00:36:38: This is why I think Alex or Chris is going to beat us there, Javier. 00:36:41: They've done this a lot more than we have. 00:36:43: Don't count on my ability to screw up. 00:36:46: I doubt it. 00:36:49: You know, Chris sucks. 00:36:51: Yeah. 00:36:54: I'm the one who soldered the transistors in backwards on the Apple II board, so. 00:36:59: Oh, crap. 00:37:00: Did they go bang? 00:37:01: Yeah. 00:37:02: Yeah. 00:37:03: I got them out, but it was pretty scary. 00:37:09: Okay. 00:37:15: Just trying to think. 00:37:16: If I do that. 00:37:18: For anybody on the stream who's a regular Kansas Fest attendee, I just want to say I'm going to miss everybody. 00:37:24: It's always one of the highlights of my year. 00:37:27: You know. 00:37:28: I hope everybody on the stream is signed up for Kansas Fest. 00:37:33: It's not too late. 00:37:35: Just go to KansasFest.org. 00:37:37: You can register. 00:37:41: What do we have? 00:37:41: Three weeks? 00:37:42: Is that right? 00:37:47: Joe, you're going to present this. 00:37:51: Is that right? 00:37:51: No. 00:37:52: What are you doing? 00:37:55: I'm going to present a little. 00:38:00: It's tangentially related. 00:38:02: We were talking about addressable LEDs. 00:38:05: I'm tricking out the new transparent Apple IIe case with an addressable LED strip. 00:38:15: That would be really cool. 00:38:17: Wait, no. 00:38:20: Which case is this? 00:38:22: Is this the one that the Kickstarter? 00:38:23: The MacFX. 00:38:24: Yeah. 00:38:24: The MacFX case. 00:38:26: Okay. 00:38:26: Gotcha. 00:38:28: And wait for mine. 00:38:30: Yep. 00:38:31: Me too. 00:38:32: I would be amazed if it weren't half Kansas Fest people who backed it. 00:38:38: Yep. 00:38:39: Yep. 00:38:39: That's true. 00:38:40: He kind of did the same thing that Mark did. 00:38:45: He came back with a lower amount and ended up getting it funded. 00:38:54: Yeah. 00:38:55: I think that was the same thing with the Knox Archaeist, right? 00:39:00: Where it's just kind of overestimated the size of the market. 00:39:04: Yeah. 00:39:05: And then it was also kind of the cost of some of the items was a little bit more 00:39:09: than I think people were expecting. 00:39:12: Well, it's hard. 00:39:13: Whenever you're making anything that's physical, it's always very difficult 00:39:17: because unless you've built some of the things yourself, 00:39:20: it's hard to conceive of how much it costs. 00:39:23: I used to sell a really simple little backboard just for converting arcade-style 00:39:28: CGA output to digital. 00:39:31: And the people were beating me up all the time. 00:39:34: I had to explain over and over again. 00:39:35: One, a small operation can't order in bulk. 00:39:38: And two, precision resistors cost a lot of money. 00:39:42: Yeah. 00:39:48: Luckily, this board is pretty straightforward, 00:39:50: so it's not too complex on the costs. 00:39:53: And I hope that people, when they see what the final cost is, 00:39:57: they're like, oh, well, that makes sense. 00:40:00: Yeah. 00:40:01: No, I think it's totally reasonable. 00:40:03: Yeah. 00:40:03: I thought so, too. 00:40:05: Yep. 00:40:09: Do-be, do-be, do-be, do-be, do-be. 00:40:13: At this rate, I'm going to be doing this after the stream is over. 00:40:18: How long did you schedule the stream for? 00:40:22: Whenever. 00:40:22: A few hours? 00:40:24: Yeah, a couple. 00:40:25: We'll go for a couple days. 00:40:27: If you watch some of the builds. 00:40:34: All right. 00:40:38: Cool. 00:40:40: I'll check it. 00:40:41: For anybody who's typing to me in my stream chat, 00:40:44: I will check it in just a moment. 00:40:45: I just wanted to be hyper-focused and get these LEDs switched over. 00:40:48: He's just trying to win. 00:40:51: That's all he's, that's all he's thinking about. 00:40:55: I'll be kind of bad if the host lost. 00:40:58: What? 00:40:59: It's true. 00:41:01: You never live it down. 00:41:09: Oh, yeah. 00:41:10: Perler art, like, with LEDs. 00:41:11: Yeah, exactly, Kat. 00:41:12: That's exactly what it is. 00:41:13: And, uh, uh, Masabi asked, 00:41:21: the PCB is all wired with the traces on using certain resistor LEDs. 00:41:25: Yes, that's exactly the idea. 00:41:26: It's the, um, it's hard to see because I chose a black, 00:41:30: a black PCB because it's designed to, um, if you want to, 00:41:34: you can display the PCB bare by itself. 00:41:37: Um, uh, kind of artistically like that. 00:41:40: But, uh, yes, it has all of the traces built in. 00:41:44: So all you have to do is stick them through there, 00:41:47: solder them in place into the pads, 00:41:49: trim the, trim the little, uh, the, the, the thingies off, 00:41:52: plug it in, turn it on, and it works. 00:41:54: So finally, I can get the blue LEDs inserted. 00:41:58: Doobie doo. 00:42:07: Oh, wait, I'm not supposed to sing on camera. 00:42:10: I'm sorry. 00:42:11: Why is that? 00:42:13: Because I can't sing. 00:42:15: Ah, you're, you're no worse than me. 00:42:18: That doesn't stop anybody. 00:42:20: Yeah, you guys talk. 00:42:21: I can dance. 00:42:22: I can sing very well. 00:42:24: Did you say you can dance very well? 00:42:25: Because if you can dance very well, 00:42:28: you need to do it on camera before the end. 00:42:29: We need to see. 00:42:30: Not now. 00:42:30: We need to have that in visual record for all perpetuity. 00:42:33: Never. 00:42:34: You're just trying to slow them down. 00:42:36: I need a lot of tequila to do that. 00:42:39: No drinking on string. 00:42:41: You'll demonetize me. 00:42:41: Oh, sorry. 00:42:47: All right. 00:42:48: Let's see. 00:42:49: That actually looks pretty cool. 00:42:51: How do people like, uh, craft computing do, 00:42:53: where that's one of their big things is they point out, 00:42:56: uh, whatever they're drinking. 00:42:57: I wonder how they get away with it. 00:42:59: Uh, they have alternate, uh, streams of income. 00:43:03: Okay. 00:43:04: So they're doing either Patreon, I guess, or. 00:43:06: Yeah, Patreon or, you know, I don't know. 00:43:08: I mean, like, um, oops, I messed that up. 00:43:12: Stand by. 00:43:14: Those three LEDs don't go there. 00:43:15: Um, a lot of the streamers too. 00:43:21: Uh, I mean, if they're just streaming, it's, you know, you know, 00:43:24: they've got alternate, alternate sources of income, 00:43:26: but if they're doing, uh, static, uh, VODs, 00:43:30: a video on demand as well, the VODs might be a little bit more tame. 00:43:34: And so they won't get demonetized. 00:43:38: Oh, interesting. 00:43:39: I guess that's true. 00:43:40: You could edit differently. 00:43:41: Yeah. 00:43:43: Well, that seems like a lot of work. 00:43:44: All of those are in place. 00:43:48: And now you guys get to see my secret ingredient. 00:43:52: Oh, what's he doing now? 00:43:54: He's got like some tough secret. 00:43:56: Oh yeah. 00:43:57: The piece of wood. 00:43:58: Yes. 00:43:59: I've got, uh, a clamp that I can use to clamp these down 00:44:02: to keep them all in place while I solder them. 00:44:06: Oh, it must be nice. 00:44:08: It must be nice. 00:44:10: What is, what is this cheating? 00:44:12: No, that's a good way to do it. 00:44:15: Actually. 00:44:15: I, it's especially handy for, um, sockets. 00:44:18: Cause when you put in lots and lots of sockets, 00:44:20: it's a pain in the butt. 00:44:21: Um, what I tend to do is I like to burn my fingers a lot. 00:44:24: So I will hold in pins and solder them when I do sockets. 00:44:28: Nobody will see me do that tonight, but my, my hands are not very sensitive anymore. 00:44:33: That sounds very painful. 00:44:36: It's only bad when you start to smell yourself cooking. 00:44:39: Yes. 00:44:42: Okay. 00:44:42: So let's see. 00:44:43: Joel on my stream wants to know what the prize is. 00:44:48: So there is no prize, just fame and glory. 00:44:52: And although you never know if, uh, if somehow someone manages to beat the great and amazing Alex, 00:44:59: I might give them a case. 00:45:02: Did you say a cake? 00:45:04: Yes. 00:45:04: A cake. 00:45:05: No. 00:45:05: Okay. 00:45:05: Is that a portal reference? 00:45:08: No, actually. 00:45:10: I have never finished portal two. 00:45:11: I've finished the first one, but I've never finished portal two. 00:45:14: I should. 00:45:15: They know how great a game it is, but. 00:45:19: It's good. 00:45:20: Yep. 00:45:21: Oh yeah. 00:45:22: Those are both good. 00:45:24: Oh yeah. 00:45:25: Oh, I, there's no doubt. 00:45:26: I know how good they are. 00:45:28: My soldering skills are awful tonight. 00:45:32: Absolutely awful. 00:45:33: Well, whenever you're trying to show other people, 00:45:35: that's when things go badly. 00:45:40: I kind of forgot what color I was just doing here. 00:45:43: All right. 00:45:44: Well, 00:45:44: we get some random patterns, 00:45:46: right? 00:45:47: Yeah. 00:45:49: The question is, 00:45:51: will any of us get the pattern exactly right? 00:45:54: With this many LEDs is a lot of Avenue for error. 00:45:58: Well, 00:45:59: that's assuming that Joe labeled them correctly and didn't double cross us. 00:46:04: Oh, 00:46:04: that'll be interesting. 00:46:05: You know, 00:46:06: I mixed them up on purpose. 00:46:10: That would be amazing. 00:46:11: Or, 00:46:12: or that they're even the correct shade of color. 00:46:14: Yeah. 00:46:14: They're just all random. 00:46:16: Some of them, 00:46:17: actually, 00:46:17: if you look in them, 00:46:18: you can see the reflectors are slightly different. 00:46:20: For example, 00:46:20: the pink ones, 00:46:22: the reflectors are quite orange. 00:46:25: Yeah. 00:46:25: The pink ones have a little phosphor on them to make them kind of, 00:46:29: basically it's, 00:46:30: it's like, 00:46:30: it's a blue led with a phosphor that emits red. 00:46:33: So it kind of makes it purple. 00:46:35: Yeah. 00:46:36: Man. 00:46:37: Yeah. 00:46:38: Yeah. 00:46:39: Yeah. 00:46:40: Yeah. 00:46:41: Yeah. 00:46:42: Yeah. 00:46:43: I am just not soddened. 00:46:44: Oh, 00:46:45: when I assembled the first prototype of this, 00:46:51: I found it be easier to actually do it one color at a time. 00:46:55: Which is what I'm doing. 00:46:58: But I am trying something different tonight. 00:47:13: And I'm finding that that something different is actually making it difficult 00:47:17: for me to get into the LEDs. 00:47:20: So I'm going to change my angle here. 00:47:22: He started talking to himself already. 00:47:26: Yep. 00:47:27: Well, 00:47:28: the job is a YouTuber, 00:47:29: right? 00:47:30: If you don't talk to yourself, 00:47:31: who are you talking to? 00:47:32: Exactly. 00:47:33: Exactly. 00:47:34: It's not very interesting to watch someone who doesn't talk to themselves. 00:47:38: Right. 00:47:39: That's a good point. 00:47:41: You'll see me. 00:47:42: Yeah. 00:47:44: Yeah. 00:47:44: Yeah. 00:47:45: Yeah. 00:47:45: Yeah. 00:47:45: Yeah. 00:47:45: Yeah. 00:47:45: Yeah. 00:47:47: Yeah. 00:47:48: Nothing. 00:47:49: That's working better. 00:47:54: Hey. 00:47:56: All right. 00:47:59: Buster. 00:48:00: I'm missing LCD LEDs. 00:48:03: Which one? 00:48:03: Which color? 00:48:04: Orange. 00:48:06: No, 00:48:06: no. 00:48:06: Yellow. 00:48:08: Are you sure you didn't? 00:48:09: No, 00:48:10: no, 00:48:10: no. 00:48:10: I took, 00:48:12: I spoke too soon. 00:48:13: Sorry. 00:48:14: No, 00:48:14: I'm good. 00:48:14: Okay. 00:48:15: Okay. 00:48:15: Yellow. 00:48:16: Yeah. 00:48:19: I'll mail you some Javier. 00:48:21: What? 00:48:21: What? 00:48:22: I'll mail you some. 00:48:24: Yeah. 00:48:25: You should. 00:48:25: I don't, 00:48:26: I don't promise they arrived by the end of the stream though. 00:48:29: I don't know the rate we're going. 00:48:31: I might. 00:48:32: So. 00:48:32: I would, 00:48:33: I wouldn't put my, 00:48:34: put it past myself to have miscounted. 00:48:38: Me and math. 00:48:39: We are not friends. 00:48:42: Well, 00:48:42: anytime you're doing large number of similar components, 00:48:45: cause there were, 00:48:46: I don't know my error rate on my kits. 00:48:48: Cause I, 00:48:49: again, 00:48:49: I was sending out resistors in this quantity. 00:48:51: My area was probably like two or 3%, 00:48:54: which is significant. 00:48:54: Once you ship a lot of kids. 00:48:56: Yeah. 00:48:57: It's really hard. 00:48:58: Unless you have a machine doing it for you. 00:49:01: On the resistors. 00:49:03: I cheated. 00:49:03: I have a little, 00:49:04: a little strip of paper. 00:49:06: That's the length of the number of resistors. 00:49:09: More cheating. 00:49:11: No, 00:49:11: for sending them out. 00:49:13: Yep. 00:49:13: Hey, 00:49:14: I gotta give a shout out to my niece, 00:49:16: Molly. 00:49:17: Hello, 00:49:17: Molly. 00:49:18: Hi, 00:49:19: Molly. 00:49:20: Has Molly started soldering yet? 00:49:23: I don't think she started soldering. 00:49:25: Maybe I should send her a kit though, 00:49:27: or something. 00:49:28: You ought to do it. 00:49:30: Yep. 00:49:32: Sorry. 00:49:32: Let's see. 00:49:33: Replying to chat, 00:49:34: making Apple logos on led. 00:49:36: Grim. 00:49:36: Yes. 00:49:37: Um, 00:49:38: I'm sorry that you're slow at soldering. 00:49:40: It is a race. 00:49:41: Um, 00:49:42: I'm going to lose, 00:49:43: but that's okay. 00:49:44: Um, 00:49:44: for anybody who's, 00:49:45: who's come in late, 00:49:46: it's my, 00:49:47: uh, 00:49:47: lead bright kit where you get to make a logo out of LEDs out of however many 00:49:51: LEDs you want to make. 00:49:52: Um, 00:49:54: Joel Mick. 00:49:55: I'm assuming that's Joel McWilliams. 00:49:57: Yep. 00:49:58: Since everybody except Alex sells t-shirts, 00:50:01: whoever wins should get a free Apple t-shirt from the others. 00:50:04: Yeah. 00:50:05: That's a good point. 00:50:06: Except don't we already have all of the t-shirts? 00:50:08: Well, 00:50:09: maybe not all, 00:50:09: but yeah, 00:50:11: I'd say we probably have quite a few. 00:50:14: I've got one of Joe's and one of Javier's. 00:50:18: So I don't actually have any of you all. 00:50:19: So maybe everyone should send me one. 00:50:23: Yeah. 00:50:26: You better, 00:50:27: you better get cracking. 00:50:32: Well, 00:50:33: you got one of mine. 00:50:35: Your t-shirts. 00:50:36: I don't think I do have here. 00:50:38: Well, 00:50:38: I, 00:50:38: if you had one that's called Kansas fest, 00:50:40: you do. 00:50:41: Oh, 00:50:41: that's a good point. 00:50:42: I didn't think about that. 00:50:44: I guess I have quite a few. 00:50:47: Yep. 00:50:48: How long you've been doing the t-shirts, 00:50:50: uh, 00:50:50: Javier? 00:50:52: Uh, 00:50:52: I think like two years now. 00:50:54: Oh, 00:50:54: cool. 00:50:55: Yeah, 00:50:55: that sounds right. 00:50:57: but I don't, 00:50:59: you don't promote it. 00:51:01: Right. 00:51:02: Like, 00:51:03: like you just did the ones like after, 00:51:05: after we'd ordered them from another company. 00:51:08: Right. 00:51:08: Then you just carry them in your store. 00:51:10: Right. 00:51:11: Right. 00:51:11: Okay. 00:51:13: Except for this year, 00:51:14: I guess this year you actually made all of them. 00:51:16: Well, 00:51:16: like, 00:51:17: or print full did. 00:51:18: So, 00:51:18: yeah, 00:51:18: cool. 00:51:21: Are you a professional artist, 00:51:23: Javier? 00:51:24: I'm a graphic designer. 00:51:26: Oh, 00:51:26: very cool. 00:51:27: My mother was a publisher. 00:51:28: So I, 00:51:29: I used to talk to a lot. 00:51:30: Graph designers fairly regularly. 00:51:32: Well, 00:51:32: nice. 00:51:35: And, 00:51:36: uh, 00:51:36: Javier, 00:51:37: didn't you do a, 00:51:38: uh, 00:51:38: a remake of the, 00:51:39: um, 00:51:40: the Pascal poster? 00:51:42: Yep. 00:51:42: Haven't you seen it? 00:51:44: Look in the back of my, 00:51:46: where is it? 00:51:47: There it is. 00:51:48: It's in the frame in the very back. 00:51:49: Yeah. 00:51:49: Yeah. 00:51:51: So did Javier, 00:51:52: did you have original of that or how did you get the artwork? 00:51:55: I, 00:51:55: uh, 00:51:55: no, 00:51:56: I made it myself. 00:51:57: Just from scratch. 00:52:00: That's awesome. 00:52:01: Took me like, 00:52:02: uh, 00:52:02: two weeks. 00:52:04: But that, 00:52:05: but that's, 00:52:06: that's based on an original poster though, 00:52:08: right? 00:52:08: Oh yeah. 00:52:08: Yeah. 00:52:08: Yeah. 00:52:09: I took an original poster and I, 00:52:11: um, 00:52:12: put it on as a, 00:52:13: as a, 00:52:13: you know, 00:52:14: as a template and I read it on top of it in, 00:52:16: in vector graphics. 00:52:17: So are you, 00:52:19: is that something that like, 00:52:20: you're not selling any of that kind of reproduction stuff in your store, 00:52:23: right? 00:52:23: I did, 00:52:24: uh, 00:52:25: 10, 00:52:25: 10 printer run. 00:52:27: They're expensive. 00:52:28: Yeah. 00:52:29: Yeah. 00:52:29: One of 10 of them, 00:52:31: not on my store because they, 00:52:32: they don't, 00:52:33: they don't allow to, 00:52:34: to do anything. 00:52:35: Right. 00:52:36: So I did it, 00:52:37: you know, 00:52:37: to, 00:52:38: uh, 00:52:38: another printer. 00:52:40: Yeah. 00:52:41: That's it. 00:52:42: It, 00:52:42: it looks beautiful. 00:52:46: It came up. 00:52:47: Yeah. 00:52:47: I love that stuff. 00:52:49: Do you put that together in InDesign? 00:52:50: Is that like a, 00:52:51: a vector graphic type of thing? 00:52:53: Yeah. 00:52:54: Adobe Illustrator is called. 00:52:55: Oh, 00:52:55: okay. 00:52:57: Yeah. 00:52:58: I've been using Illustrator since Illustrator 88. 00:53:02: I actually been using this in 1.0. 00:53:04: Oh, 00:53:05: very cool. 00:53:06: Javier. 00:53:06: Very cool. 00:53:09: Yeah. 00:53:10: For me, 00:53:10: Illustrator 88 on a Macintosh plus, 00:53:13: I believe was my first. 00:53:15: Oh my God. 00:53:16: Gosh. 00:53:17: You guys are making me feel young. 00:53:19: Thank you. 00:53:21: Yeah. 00:53:22: Well, 00:53:22: you are young. 00:53:26: Am I the oldest one here? 00:53:30: Who's the oldest one? 00:53:31: Oh, 00:53:31: you guys were using, 00:53:33: uh, 00:53:33: Adobe Illustrator when I was in, 00:53:35: uh, 00:53:35: third grade. 00:53:36: So, 00:53:36: yes, 00:53:38: maybe we are. 00:53:39: Yes. 00:53:43: I also was lucky enough that I got my first, 00:53:45: uh, 00:53:46: computer when I was six. 00:53:48: Wow. 00:53:49: Damn. 00:53:51: I was, 00:53:51: I had no idea how lucky I was. 00:53:53: Uh, 00:53:53: my mother took a class in basic programming. 00:53:55: My mom, 00:53:56: you'll never see this, 00:53:57: um, 00:53:58: at MIT. 00:53:59: And when she came back from the class, 00:54:01: she bought a Commodore 64. 00:54:03: I know boo Commodore, 00:54:05: but we could afford it. 00:54:06: And she learned, 00:54:08: she did some programming at home and then she taught me basic. 00:54:10: And that was the start of my computer career. 00:54:13: Yeah. 00:54:14: 1982. 00:54:16: That's a cool mom. 00:54:17: I thought so. 00:54:18: She also helped me type in so many assembly language programs by reading them to me. 00:54:23: Oh, 00:54:24: wow. 00:54:24: Reading that is awesome. 00:54:26: That's devoted. 00:54:28: That's hardcore. 00:54:30: No doubt. 00:54:31: Hey, 00:54:31: Javier. 00:54:32: Yo. 00:54:33: We got a, 00:54:34: we got a question on my chat about the t-shirts for Kansas Fest. 00:54:38: Uh, 00:54:38: somebody wants to, 00:54:39: let's see, 00:54:40: Bob Brown wants to know if you have sent them all out. 00:54:43: So maybe you can address that. 00:54:44: Um, 00:54:44: I don't do it. 00:54:45: It's a, 00:54:45: it's a company, 00:54:46: but you know, 00:54:47: it goes through my store. 00:54:48: And, 00:54:49: uh, 00:54:49: because of the COVID there, 00:54:51: they, 00:54:51: they've been having some issues and they, 00:54:53: they have printers in, 00:54:55: um, 00:54:55: East coast and West coast. 00:54:58: So depending on where, 00:54:59: where you're, 00:55:00: you know, 00:55:00: you're sending it to, 00:55:02: um, 00:55:02: it may be a little bit slower than the other ones. 00:55:05: And I apologize for that, 00:55:07: but it's. 00:55:07: Yeah. 00:55:08: All shipping is like that. 00:55:09: I've been watching. 00:55:10: So I've been ordering many, 00:55:12: many parts for some various things that I've been building and packages are 00:55:15: randomly delayed. 00:55:16: For example, 00:55:18: Chris, 00:55:18: uh, 00:55:18: shipped me the Kansas fest, 00:55:20: uh, 00:55:20: pin. 00:55:21: And I believe mine is still sitting in Colorado. 00:55:24: Oh, 00:55:25: yeah, 00:55:26: but that's my fault. 00:55:27: That's because I ran out of envelopes. 00:55:29: Oh, 00:55:29: well, 00:55:30: Oh, 00:55:30: okay. 00:55:30: So I, 00:55:31: I figured it was just sitting at the, 00:55:32: at the post office. 00:55:34: Nope. 00:55:34: You can, 00:55:34: you can completely blame me for that one. 00:55:36: So that was, 00:55:38: yeah, 00:55:38: we, 00:55:39: we, 00:55:39: we, 00:55:39: we completely underestimated the number of people who were going to sign up for 00:55:43: Kansas fest. 00:55:44: I think we ordered 250 envelopes. 00:55:46: And then there's over 400 people now signed up. 00:55:49: So there's supposed to be more arriving tomorrow. 00:55:53: And then I'll send them out. 00:55:54: Then. 00:55:55: Cool. 00:55:56: Well, 00:55:57: that's cool. 00:55:57: Either way. 00:55:58: I figured I could eventually hit you up directly. 00:56:01: If nothing else, 00:56:01: assuming we managed to be able to see each other in person next year. 00:56:05: Yep. 00:56:06: That is very true. 00:56:07: Yeah. 00:56:08: And I know there's quite a few people who actually I did mail the pins out. 00:56:11: So the first batch and, 00:56:12: you know, 00:56:13: like the international ones, 00:56:14: I think one person has gotten theirs, 00:56:17: but the rest are just, 00:56:18: you know, 00:56:18: stuck in customs, 00:56:20: just slowed down with, 00:56:22: you know, 00:56:22: everything going on in the world. 00:56:24: Yeah. 00:56:25: I've been finding that the average in us customs, 00:56:27: when stuff coming into the United States right now is about three weeks. 00:56:31: Well, 00:56:31: yep. 00:56:32: Yep. 00:56:35: Got a couple of questions from my chat. 00:56:38: Grandma's asking what's on these t-shirts. 00:56:41: The, 00:56:41: I think the t-shirts that Joel was talking about, 00:56:44: we got all types of t-shirts. 00:56:47: Javier, 00:56:48: do you want to talk about some of the designs you have on eight bit tees there? 00:56:51: Well, 00:56:52: you can see one here. 00:56:53: I'm wearing one, 00:56:53: the Apple to see Picasso. 00:56:57: And I got the Macintosh Picasso, 00:56:59: Lisa Picasso, 00:57:00: and the, 00:57:01: GS Picasso. 00:57:03: Cool. 00:57:04: And, 00:57:04: uh, 00:57:04: several different ones. 00:57:05: The only ones that I don't carry are the ones that have logos from Apple. 00:57:09: Because of, 00:57:09: you know, 00:57:11: they don't allow me to do that. 00:57:12: Yeah. 00:57:13: Yeah. 00:57:13: But all kinds of geeky stuff, 00:57:16: you know, 00:57:16: the Beagle Brothers, 00:57:17: all those cats that they had on, 00:57:19: on the, 00:57:20: that they, 00:57:20: you know, 00:57:21: on their screens, 00:57:23: you know, 00:57:24: on the color screens. 00:57:24: and, 00:57:25: uh, 00:57:25: yeah, 00:57:27: the, 00:57:27: the, 00:57:27: the wood cut design things that they did. 00:57:29: Yeah. 00:57:30: Yeah. 00:57:32: And Chris, 00:57:33: you've got, 00:57:33: uh, 00:57:34: you're, 00:57:35: of course, 00:57:35: you're wearing one of your designs right now. 00:57:37: Yep. 00:57:37: Yeah. 00:57:37: I got my Oregon trail one on Javier. 00:57:40: It's, 00:57:40: uh, 00:57:40: eight bit. 00:57:42: Tease.com. 00:57:43: Right. 00:57:44: There's some tabs that I also have. 00:57:46: Look at that. 00:57:49: Wizardry. 00:57:50: Wizardry. 00:57:51: Yeah. 00:57:51: Too bad. 00:57:52: Robert Woodhead was supposed to be the key speaker at, 00:57:55: uh, 00:57:55: I know I was looking forward to that. 00:57:58: He's, 00:57:59: he's still signed up virtually, 00:58:00: but, 00:58:01: uh, 00:58:01: we're going to delay his keynote until next year. 00:58:03: So you can actually give it in person. 00:58:06: Yeah. 00:58:06: I, 00:58:06: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:07: I, 00:58:09: I, 00:58:09: I, 00:58:09: I really love that work. 00:58:11: Same, 00:58:12: same here. 00:58:13: Yeah. 00:58:14: It was the first game that I taught myself to hack, 00:58:16: uh, 00:58:17: save game files. 00:58:18: That's cool. 00:58:20: Yeah. 00:58:20: My brother and I, 00:58:21: I, 00:58:21: he's so lucky. 00:58:23: Diamonds and so. 00:58:26: But, 00:58:27: uh, 00:58:27: yeah, 00:58:27: Chris, 00:58:28: what's your, 00:58:28: yours is CT6502.com, 00:58:30: right? 00:58:31: Oh, 00:58:31: yeah. 00:58:32: Orgy. 00:58:33: Or yes. 00:58:34: Important. 00:58:35: Yes. 00:58:35: Yep. 00:58:36: So let me send that to my chatters. 00:58:38: Yeah. 00:58:39: I just sent Javier's in mine. 00:58:42: I should, 00:58:42: well, 00:58:42: I guess I actually already sent yours because I sent the link to the LED bright. 00:58:48: Yeah. 00:58:49: No, 00:58:49: I got that poster over there. 00:58:51: Can you see that? 00:58:53: I cannot see it behind my camera. 00:58:55: But anyway, it's Beagle Brothers. 00:59:00: Right there. 00:59:02: The Handle with Care icons. 00:59:04: I sell that on my, just the icons on my store. 00:59:08: Yeah, like the alligator eating the disc icon and all that. 00:59:12: Right, yep. 00:59:13: Yeah, those are awesome. 00:59:15: Yeah, I love them. 00:59:17: I got a t-shirt with that. 00:59:21: On my web store, I have some generic geek terms. 00:59:25: Like my 8 Bits Are All You Need logo. 00:59:30: Halt and Catch Fire logo. 00:59:33: Nice. 00:59:34: Mugs with the logo on it and stuff like that. 00:59:37: I have a, I took the print shop thinking, you know, when you print and it like shows the rainbow colors of printing while it's printing. 00:59:46: I have some stickers. 00:59:47: That's very cool. 00:59:48: That's cool. 00:59:51: I have, gosh, one of mine is it. 00:59:56: I have 063 problems, but 8 Bits ain't one. 01:00:01: I love that one. 01:00:08: 063 being 99 in packs. 01:00:12: So let's see, Fender sidekick on the mic chat was asking a question about the registrations for Kansas Fest. 01:00:18: So we hit 400 on June 30th. 01:00:24: Damn. 01:00:24: And so then, yeah. 01:00:25: So then everything above that is, you know, I think, I'm not sure what we're up to now, but it's definitely above that. 01:00:34: Yeah, and we only ordered 400 pins. 01:00:36: Sorry if you registered after June 30th. 01:00:41: But that just means you have to just come in person next year. 01:00:46: Absolutely. 01:00:48: We want to see your shining faces. 01:00:50: Yep. 01:00:51: For anybody who's out there who isn't going and what they're thinking of going, if it's open next year to attend, I highly suggest. 01:01:02: I've been thinking of going every year since 2016 and then decided in 2019 to finally go. 01:01:08: And if you're the shy type, don't feel shy. 01:01:12: Everybody is super friendly and they're all about as nerdy and shy as you are. 01:01:16: So it's all fine. 01:01:18: Yep. 01:01:19: Yeah, it's an amazing environment. 01:01:21: As I said, my history was Commodore, but there's nothing like the AppleTree community. 01:01:26: There's a reason I keep coming to Kansas Fest. 01:01:32: Yeah, I used to hate Commodore, but now I got an Amiga. 01:01:36: Do you? 01:01:36: Yeah, I do hate it, but I didn't really care about it. 01:01:46: I have an Amiga 500 in my collection back here off my shoulder that I've had for about two years now that I haven't done anything with. 01:01:57: It went over there, sat on the bench, and it's just been sitting there. 01:02:00: Yeah, I have a 600 and a 4,000. 01:02:06: Wow. 01:02:06: 4,000. 01:02:08: So, Joe, does your 500 work? 01:02:11: Does my 500 work? 01:02:12: Yes. 01:02:13: Yeah, right. 01:02:15: Yeah, it works perfectly fine. 01:02:17: Cool. 01:02:17: I hacked together a little cable that you can connect into the parallel port of an old-school PC in order to be able to write floppy disks for it. 01:02:25: That was an interesting adventure. 01:02:27: Yeah, that's the challenge. 01:02:30: What's the challenge is that somebody needs to do for the Amiga. 01:02:32: Admittedly, I guess the GoTex and things like that and the HXC have removed a lot of the difficulty. 01:02:36: But I've had Amigas for a long time. 01:02:40: I first got Amiga 500 when I was in high school and I did not have any disks for it for a long time. 01:02:47: I got to just look at the really disturbing hand. 01:02:56: It is disturbing. 01:02:57: It is disturbing. 01:02:59: Thank you. 01:03:00: I thought it was only me that thought that. 01:03:02: Nope. 01:03:07: Come to BCF East and ask Dave Haney about it. 01:03:11: Hmm. 01:03:14: Actually, I was going to do it. 01:03:15: The reason it's so odd is because they saved memory. 01:03:19: Oh, really? 01:03:20: Yep. 01:03:22: You know what I used to despise and hate? 01:03:24: That stupid pointer, man. 01:03:28: Oh, yeah. 01:03:29: It is odd. 01:03:29: The pointer was so odd, man. 01:03:31: Ugh, ugly. 01:03:32: Isn't it like a weird 45 degree angle, too? 01:03:40: So it's very non-ergonomic. 01:03:44: Yeah. 01:03:49: But eventually I'll get to showing that Amigo on my channel. 01:03:54: But the 8-bit stuff takes precedence for me for the most part. 01:03:58: Yep. 01:04:03: Amigo 1000s are really cool, too. 01:04:06: Wow. 01:04:07: Yeah. 01:04:08: Yes. 01:04:09: I like pizza boxes. 01:04:11: Somebody was asking on my chat, the kit is currently sold out on my store. 01:04:14: Yes. 01:04:15: I will be activating that momentarily. 01:04:17: Oh, wait. 01:04:19: I didn't want to sell them before they were ready to be sold, if that makes sense. 01:04:24: But this is my first time doing this kind of thing. 01:04:29: So it stands to reason I made one little glitch. 01:04:32: Stand by. 01:04:32: So, Joe, you have them in stock, though, if people want to buy them? 01:04:40: What's that? 01:04:41: You have kits in stock? 01:04:43: Yes. 01:04:44: I currently have 11 of them. 01:04:48: Uh. 01:04:48: But the only thing that I'm short on are the actual boards and the 3D cases. 01:04:56: The 3D cases will be printed basically on demand because I didn't feel like it was fair to ask Alex, hey, can you spend the next two and a half weeks printing cases for me? 01:05:05: Especially I don't know what the popularity of the case is going to be. 01:05:10: So I didn't want to, you know, necessarily load him down and load me down with all these cases that whatever. 01:05:18: The boards, I only have 11 of, but those can be ordered PDQ, and I can get those usually within a week and a half or so. 01:05:26: And I have enough LEDs to choke a small horse, so I'm not worried about LEDs and resistors. 01:05:32: So to answer your question, yes. 01:05:35: Cool. 01:05:37: So, Alex, how long does it take to print out one of those cases? 01:05:42: About 16 hours. 01:05:44: What? 01:05:45: Yes. 01:05:46: Dang. 01:05:47: And, uh. 01:05:47: Yep. 01:05:48: What kind of printer do you have? 01:05:50: What kind of 3D printer? 01:05:51: I have a lot. 01:05:52: But my primary printer, I have a Prusa i3 Mark 2S, 2.5S, actually. 01:05:59: And then, but I also have a Cetus, which is a little linear rail-based printer. 01:06:03: I have a Creality CR10S 300. 01:06:07: And I have an MGN, uh, MGN Cube. 01:06:14: BLV MGN Cube. 01:06:16: Hmm. 01:06:16: What are you, what are you typically using them for? 01:06:21: Are you printing out, like, prototypes for stuff, or is it stuff? 01:06:24: Yeah, prototyping. 01:06:25: Yeah, that's exactly it. 01:06:26: So I got into 3D printing as an offshoot to my vintage computer enthusiasm. 01:06:30: I design cases and repair parts and things like that. 01:06:35: I don't know if anyone who's been to Kansas Tech, you may have seen some of my talks about it. 01:06:38: So I do kind of the, Charles Mangan does a lot of 3D printing as well. 01:06:42: Option 8. 01:06:43: Definitely check out his stuff. 01:06:44: He does beautiful models. 01:06:46: I do more the repair. 01:06:48: So I'm, I guess I'm more the mechanical rather than the artist. 01:06:51: Right. 01:06:53: Have you thought about doing, like, you know, like the, the, you know, funnel, like Apple II cases and things like that? 01:06:59: Or is it just- 01:07:00: Absolutely have. 01:07:01: No, I, I, I like Apple II cases for sure. 01:07:04: But if I were going to do them, I want to do full sale. 01:07:08: Okay. 01:07:10: Seriously, I, I do big prints. 01:07:11: That's one of the reasons I, I have so many printers. 01:07:13: Um, cause I cut them up into bits and then assemble them. 01:07:17: Yeah. 01:07:19: So anybody who was asking if the, uh, boards were up for sale, they are for sale now. 01:07:23: I just updated that. 01:07:25: You may have to refresh your browser if you're wanting to look for that. 01:07:29: Um, all of the little bits and pieces that come with the board are requisite of buying the board. 01:07:35: For example, you can't buy the LED light kit unless you buy the board too. 01:07:38: And that's, uh, just for multiple different reasons. 01:07:41: Um, however, if later down the road, for some reason, you want to buy one of those separate things, just contact me and I can get you a separate kit. 01:07:50: Uh, aside from the board. 01:07:52: Or you can just get the board to see yourself and put a whole bunch of flashy LEDs in it if you like. 01:07:56: That's fine. 01:07:58: Yeah. 01:07:59: That's one of your hopes for this thing, right? 01:08:00: Is that people are going to do custom designs as you mentioned before. 01:08:03: So hopefully people will create some neat stuff. 01:08:06: Hey Joe, question. 01:08:08: Can we cut these things? 01:08:09: Yeah. 01:08:11: Yeah. 01:08:12: Mm-hmm. 01:08:12: Yeah. 01:08:13: We don't need to cut them, connect them with anything else? 01:08:15: No. 01:08:16: No, you just solder them through and when you're done, you clip them off. 01:08:18: Okay. 01:08:19: Good. 01:08:20: Thanks. 01:08:20: I mean, you can leave them on there if you want to, but if they get all like tangled and connected, they get all tied together, they'll, you'll have issues with it. 01:08:27: Yeah. 01:08:27: Yeah. 01:08:28: And if what you should do, Javier, is keep a supply of resistor legs and LED legs. 01:08:33: They're good for making jumpers and things like that. 01:08:36: So I keep a box of them. 01:08:37: Yeah. 01:08:38: Just cut them off and just put them in a little bin and keep them to the side. 01:08:41: Great. 01:08:43: I'm going to change my camera angle. 01:08:45: You guys really can't see me. 01:08:46: Stand by. 01:08:47: That's better. 01:08:48: That's better. 01:08:49: That's better. 01:08:50: So this is my first, as I was saying earlier, this is my first PCB kit, but I have long-term plans to do other PCB kits. 01:09:07: Some learn to solder kits, probably little things just like little red and blue, flashy light kits and stuff like that. 01:09:20: Just maybe not red and blue. 01:09:22: What's that? 01:09:23: I said, maybe not red and blue. 01:09:26: Well, I think people will use them as a, we'll stick them in their car dash and pull people over. 01:09:32: Yeah. 01:09:33: Well, just sort of a joke on all the, on the world we live in today. 01:09:38: Yeah, that's true. 01:09:39: That's true. 01:09:42: Also, I showed this earlier, this little thing right here. 01:09:47: I call that the chicken switcher. 01:09:50: It's kind of hard to see there. 01:09:52: Eggs? 01:09:54: What is it? 01:09:55: Oh, I see. 01:09:56: Basically, what it allows you to do is it allows you to put a higher density EEPROM into a Commodore 64. 01:10:08: Yeah, that's right. 01:10:09: It converts the pins over. 01:10:11: But in addition, it's designed to be, I know we're getting a little off Apple II topic here, 01:10:16: but it's designed to be used for, with like Jiffy DOS and those different, different kernels 01:10:24: so that you don't have to permanently modify wires on your board or anything like that. 01:10:29: It's got the, it's got the connection pins, the reset, restore pins and all that stuff 01:10:34: to connect it, to connect things up and make it a little bit easier to do. 01:10:39: So, there are folks already selling those out there, of course, but, you know, it doesn't 01:10:47: hurt to have more than one option. 01:10:50: Yep. 01:10:50: I completely agree. 01:10:52: The more, the merrier in the vintage scene. 01:10:57: Those are my prototype. 01:10:58: I ordered them like, ooh, I get to test it. 01:11:01: And then after they were already on the boat from China, I realized I had an error in them. 01:11:07: Oh, no. 01:11:09: They were wired exactly backwards and it would have resulted in, you know, fires. 01:11:14: And that would have been really cool, but we don't want to do that. 01:11:17: So, I also have my JCM1 computer that I want to eventually release as a board. 01:11:26: Oh, what's that based on? 01:11:28: It's just a, it's a 6502 based PC. 01:11:32: Very cool. 01:11:34: Similar, it's very similar design to Grant Searle 6502 single board computer. 01:11:39: Yep. 01:11:39: If you're familiar with that. 01:11:42: But independently designed. 01:11:44: I tried not to directly copy anybody. 01:11:47: Because it's easy enough to, you know, just go out and find design and be like, oh, I'm 01:11:50: going to build that. 01:11:51: But it has some, the current design has some unique features to it. 01:11:57: The audio, for example, it has two AY38910 audio chips. 01:12:02: Oh, Nate. 01:12:02: I decided to stick with those because they're, China is cloning them and they're cheap. 01:12:09: So, because they're being cloned, you can still get them. 01:12:12: You're not worrying about like trying to get a vintage SID chip from like a 60, from like 01:12:15: a Commodore 64 that really belongs to be staying in a Commodore 64. 01:12:21: Yeah. 01:12:22: Or, yeah. 01:12:22: I was going to say, I was going to jump on that and say, please, no matter what the retro 01:12:27: computer is, do not steal chips from working vintage machines. 01:12:31: Yes. 01:12:31: And they're easy to wire up and make work and all of that. 01:12:37: They're also wired up with two digital potentiometers that are addressable by the 6502. 01:12:45: And they're set that way so that you can have panable stereo audio of all six channels independently. 01:12:53: Cool. 01:12:55: Nice. 01:12:56: Just, and I just did that for funsies. 01:12:58: I just, you know, it's cool that, you know, 8-bit computers had audio and stuff at the time, 01:13:04: but the thing that a lot of them didn't have was stereo because it was kind of expensive 01:13:08: to try to implement such a thing. 01:13:09: But with these little digital pots, it's just, you just wire it up, you send it, it's, they're 01:13:15: programmed over, I think, SPI or something like that. 01:13:18: And you can send SPI mode zero, I think, straight from a 6522. 01:13:23: You just wire it up and send it commands. 01:13:26: It's like, okay, so you can pan the audio left and right. 01:13:32: Have you done a video on any of the audio stuff? 01:13:39: I know you did, you did a series of videos on the, like the video component of that. 01:13:44: Yes. 01:13:44: Yeah. 01:13:45: I've done anything. 01:13:47: Oh yeah. 01:13:48: There's a whole video on that, on the design of that on my channel. 01:13:53: It's probably a couple of years old now because the project just, I have a full-time job. 01:13:58: So this, this kind of stuff is just weekend stuff for me. 01:14:01: So, all righty. 01:14:06: So all my LEDs are in and they're mostly square. 01:14:12: Okay. 01:14:14: Now for resistors. 01:14:17: I have to remember which resistors go with what. 01:14:19: I, I designed it and don't even remember. 01:14:21: Well, the resistor values are all the same. 01:14:26: It's at least in my, my kit. 01:14:29: You got an early version of the kit. 01:14:31: So in your case, they are the same. 01:14:32: The reason being is because I have higher resistor values for the green, blue, and pink LEDs because they're super bright. 01:14:47: Yes. 01:14:48: Yes. 01:14:50: Exactly. 01:14:51: And the reason I did it that way again was just so that the, the, the LEDs would be of relatively equal brightness on the board. 01:15:03: If you don't do that, which you have, have happened, you just got the, the green ones, which were like super duper bright and blowing you out. 01:15:10: And then the red ones you can barely see. 01:15:12: So. 01:15:15: And here's one of my tricks to get all the resistors out all at once. 01:15:21: Do me do me do. 01:15:33: You just cut them with a pair of scissors. 01:15:35: Yep. 01:15:37: Cool. 01:15:38: With scissors. 01:15:39: Really? 01:15:40: Yep. 01:15:41: Kills or scissors. 01:15:43: Don't kill these scissors. 01:15:45: These are like super duper. 01:15:47: Uber shears. 01:15:48: You can also use. 01:15:50: Lineman shears. 01:15:52: Or you can use. 01:15:52: Telecom. 01:15:53: Please. 01:15:56: Nice. 01:15:57: Exa light ones. 01:16:01: My. 01:16:02: Those scissors I have are just like super duper heavy duty. 01:16:05: So. 01:16:07: The other thing is if you start buying enough 3d printers, you will have as many. 01:16:12: Trimming. 01:16:13: Or diagonal cutters. 01:16:15: As you'll ever need. 01:16:16: Every printer in the world comes with one. 01:16:18: So now we're on to the resistors. 01:16:27: All right. 01:16:28: So you got all your soldered in? 01:16:30: Your LEDs? 01:16:31: Yeah. 01:16:32: My LEDs are all soldered in. 01:16:34: Dang. 01:16:34: You are going fast. 01:16:36: I think. 01:16:37: You're definitely going fast. 01:16:39: I cheated. 01:16:42: I made a. 01:16:43: I made a jig. 01:16:45: Yeah. 01:16:45: He knows. 01:16:47: He does. 01:16:48: But. 01:16:51: I got this correct. 01:16:53: Yes. 01:16:53: You can actually. 01:16:56: This little jig I made. 01:16:57: It's just basically. 01:16:58: It's a piece of foam padding. 01:17:01: Just stuck onto the back of a piece of wood there. 01:17:03: That I made custom for this. 01:17:05: But you can actually get. 01:17:10: Professionally made jigs. 01:17:13: That take the whole board. 01:17:16: And. 01:17:18: It actually like. 01:17:19: It's all hinged. 01:17:20: So it. 01:17:21: You put your components in. 01:17:22: You fold it down. 01:17:23: Then you open it up and flip it over. 01:17:26: It all keeps it together in one. 01:17:28: In. 01:17:29: In one thing. 01:17:30: But they're super expensive. 01:17:32: They're like 300 bucks a pop. 01:17:37: Yeah. 01:17:38: It wouldn't be worth it. 01:17:39: Unless you were going to do a ton of these. 01:17:40: Exactly. 01:17:45: How many roses? 01:17:46: Is that three roses? 01:17:48: Top two. 01:17:49: Let's talk to. 01:17:55: So Chris. 01:17:56: Are you allowed to. 01:17:58: Give us any insight. 01:17:59: As to what kind of. 01:18:01: What kind of sessions. 01:18:02: Are going to be going on. 01:18:03: At KFES this year. 01:18:04: Or you have to keep all that hush hush. 01:18:06: You can tell. 01:18:07: We can tell. 01:18:09: Give you the inside scoop. 01:18:13: I don't know. 01:18:13: It's generally like. 01:18:15: Exactly what. 01:18:16: But like. 01:18:17: Kind of. 01:18:17: Anything that's out of the ordinary. 01:18:19: Anything that's. 01:18:20: You think is going to be. 01:18:21: Really super interesting this year. 01:18:25: What? 01:18:26: It's going to be a line. 01:18:28: Yeah. 01:18:29: It's going to be amazing. 01:18:33: Let me take a gander here. 01:18:35: Because I don't even remember. 01:18:36: Half of them myself. 01:18:39: So I don't know if you guys. 01:18:40: There's. 01:18:41: There's going to be one. 01:18:42: On the remake of. 01:18:44: Mist. 01:18:44: The computer game. 01:18:45: For the Apple II. 01:18:46: Oh yeah. 01:18:47: Yeah. 01:18:48: That should be really cool. 01:18:49: Yep. 01:18:51: Let's see. 01:18:52: Something. 01:18:53: Um. 01:18:55: It's going to be this amazing. 01:18:57: Talk on Knox Arceus. 01:18:59: Just stupid. 01:19:00: That's boring. 01:19:01: Hey. 01:19:04: Um. 01:19:05: Let's see. 01:19:06: What else we got going on. 01:19:07: Um. 01:19:08: There's a lot of stuff about emulators. 01:19:09: So we've got a couple different talks. 01:19:11: One for an Apple II emulator. 01:19:13: Another one for an Apple I. 01:19:15: Um. 01:19:16: Actually I guess that one's maybe more like a simulator or something. 01:19:19: Um. 01:19:20: There are going to be. 01:19:25: Um. 01:19:25: I don't know if you guys remember last year. 01:19:27: Kay Sabat's did his table reads. 01:19:30: For. 01:19:30: Oh yeah. 01:19:31: Yeah. 01:19:32: So we're going to have. 01:19:33: Um. 01:19:34: A repeat of that. 01:19:35: So that should be. 01:19:36: That should be. 01:19:36: I don't know how it's going to work. 01:19:38: Um. 01:19:38: But that should be a lot of fun. 01:19:40: Um. 01:19:41: A couple talks on the Apple II. 01:19:43: I'm sorry. 01:19:43: The Apple III. 01:19:45: Um. 01:19:46: The. 01:19:47: There are going to be something about. 01:19:49: The Weeam modem. 01:19:50: So. 01:19:51: I don't know if anybody has done anything with that. 01:19:53: I have yet to. 01:19:54: Play around with that. 01:19:56: Um. 01:19:58: Let's see. 01:19:59: What else. 01:20:00: And then. 01:20:01: Uh. 01:20:02: I don't know. 01:20:03: A bunch of other stuff. 01:20:05: Cool. 01:20:06: I don't want to give away. 01:20:06: Is Jason Scott going to be doing. 01:20:08: Uh. 01:20:08: Another marathon type of contest. 01:20:10: Like you did last year. 01:20:11: We. 01:20:12: You know. 01:20:12: We have. 01:20:12: So. 01:20:13: It starts on Friday. 01:20:14: And then Friday night. 01:20:15: We have kind of an open. 01:20:16: Three hour. 01:20:17: Four hour slot. 01:20:18: Which is. 01:20:19: We're calling it like. 01:20:21: Game. 01:20:22: Slash. 01:20:23: Get together. 01:20:24: Slash. 01:20:24: You know. 01:20:24: Whatever. 01:20:26: Um. 01:20:27: And so. 01:20:28: I think. 01:20:28: During that time. 01:20:29: That. 01:20:30: You know. 01:20:30: People can do game sessions. 01:20:31: Or they can just sit and chat with each other. 01:20:34: Um. 01:20:34: So. 01:20:35: Maybe. 01:20:35: Maybe. 01:20:36: I'm not sure. 01:20:38: All right. 01:20:39: Let's see. 01:20:40: Skip. 01:20:41: I'm doing the green now. 01:20:42: The green is tricky. 01:20:45: You got to be careful with the green. 01:20:47: Why. 01:20:49: Why. 01:20:50: What's that? 01:20:51: Well. 01:20:51: Because they're like. 01:20:52: You know. 01:20:53: A very specific pattern. 01:20:54: Right. 01:20:55: The rest. 01:20:55: Oh. 01:20:55: Okay. 01:20:55: Yeah. 01:20:56: Just kind of. 01:20:58: Rows. 01:20:59: And you either. 01:21:00: Start one early. 01:21:01: Or start one late. 01:21:02: But the green is like. 01:21:03: You got to count. 01:21:03: That's the one that tripped me up on the very first. 01:21:08: Did it? 01:21:08: Yeah. 01:21:09: I ended up getting the row one off. 01:21:11: And had to reset them all. 01:21:12: Oh. 01:21:13: Man. 01:21:13: Oh. 01:21:20: Resist the time. 01:21:26: Cool. 01:21:26: Now. 01:21:29: For my first run of these. 01:21:31: I was able to get. 01:21:32: For the smaller value resistors. 01:21:34: The resistors are actually physically smaller. 01:21:38: And so they kind of fit better. 01:21:42: But I wasn't able to find the higher value resistors in the smaller physical form. 01:21:47: So how are you. 01:21:51: How do you recommend we do it then? 01:21:52: Is it kind of like the resistors almost like standing up? 01:21:55: Yeah. 01:21:56: The stand up vertically. 01:21:57: Exactly. 01:21:58: Yeah. 01:21:58: Okay. 01:21:59: You just fold it over and you kind of. 01:22:01: I don't know if you can see it on camera here. 01:22:03: I use the higher res one. 01:22:06: But kind of like that. 01:22:09: Yep. 01:22:10: I see that. 01:22:17: This board can be very easily modified. 01:22:21: To use SMT. 01:22:24: Surface mount components as well. 01:22:28: Yeah. 01:22:29: And don't let that put you off. 01:22:30: SMT soldering is not as hard as you think it is. 01:22:33: Yeah. 01:22:33: It's only like tricky if you're trying to do it all at once. 01:22:36: Like if you're trying to do the whole like board remelt. 01:22:39: With the chip quick type solder goop and all of that. 01:22:42: I mean. 01:22:43: They're tinier. 01:22:45: But it's not really that big of a deal. 01:22:47: Yeah. 01:22:47: And just. 01:22:48: And the other thing is. 01:22:49: Hot air can make it really easy. 01:22:51: Depending on what you're doing. 01:22:57: But yeah. 01:22:58: Most surface mount down to a fairly small size. 01:23:01: Is not that difficult. 01:23:04: Just really need a nice set of tweezers. 01:23:06: And steady hand. 01:23:08: And it's not too bad. 01:23:09: Usually. 01:23:10: The trick is to solder one side first. 01:23:13: And then solder the other side. 01:23:15: If you try to like. 01:23:16: Do it all at once or something like that. 01:23:19: You can have issues. 01:23:21: That is if you're soldering with an iron. 01:23:23: I mean if you're doing it with hot air. 01:23:25: That's different. 01:23:26: Or you can also. 01:23:27: You can. 01:23:28: You can also use a template. 01:23:30: Most of the PCB houses now. 01:23:31: Will make templates for you. 01:23:32: Pretty cheaply. 01:23:34: Yeah. 01:23:34: And that makes it really easy. 01:23:35: Because then you can just use a. 01:23:36: Putty knife to spread your. 01:23:39: Yep. 01:23:40: Yep. 01:23:40: Yep. 01:23:46: I would love. 01:23:48: To be able to create. 01:23:49: Some sort of project. 01:23:51: For the Apple II proper. 01:23:53: That makes the Apple II. 01:23:54: Do something really cool. 01:23:55: But I can't think of anything. 01:23:56: That hasn't already been done. 01:24:00: Yeah. 01:24:00: You've got some amazing engineers out there. 01:24:02: There's. 01:24:02: It's really amazing stuff. 01:24:07: What did you say Javier? 01:24:09: TFFA. 01:24:13: Clone it. 01:24:14: I'm waiting for that. 01:24:16: That guy that is doing. 01:24:18: The accelerator. 01:24:19: The new one. 01:24:21: Which accelerator is that? 01:24:23: Oh. 01:24:24: I don't know. 01:24:25: It's a. 01:24:26: With a RASPi. 01:24:28: RASPi. 01:24:29: Oh yeah. 01:24:30: Pi base accelerator. 01:24:31: Yeah. 01:24:33: So. 01:24:34: I have one of those. 01:24:35: Something similar for the Amiga. 01:24:36: I have an accelerator in my 600. 01:24:38: Called a Vampire. 01:24:39: If anyone's heard of it. 01:24:40: Oh yeah. 01:24:40: I've heard of it. 01:24:41: Yeah. 01:24:42: It's an FPGA device. 01:24:43: It's. 01:24:43: Extraordinarily fast. 01:24:45: There's a. 01:24:46: FPGA. 01:24:47: FPGA technology. 01:24:48: It really is. 01:24:49: What's. 01:24:49: What's changing. 01:24:50: A lot of us being able to do these cool things. 01:24:56: With the old computers. 01:24:57: It's really the only way to emulate new technology. 01:25:01: But be able to make it talk to the old tech. 01:25:03: I mean. 01:25:04: You can do it with standard logic. 01:25:05: But. 01:25:06: The board would be five times the size of the original machine. 01:25:10: Right. 01:25:11: Well. 01:25:11: You see it. 01:25:12: When. 01:25:12: Because people have done it. 01:25:13: You've seen the mega 6502. 01:25:14: And things like that. 01:25:16: You end up with a very slow board. 01:25:25: Resistors are in place for those. 01:25:27: Which resistors are next? 01:25:30: The ones at the. 01:25:31: All right. 01:25:32: I'm done with the LEDs. 01:25:35: Damn. 01:25:35: I'm low. 01:25:36: Still behind Joe. 01:25:44: Alex. 01:25:45: Where are you? 01:25:46: I'm still working on the LEDs. 01:25:50: I have. 01:25:51: No idea. 01:25:53: How you. 01:25:54: How I'm that far ahead. 01:25:55: I don't. 01:25:55: I don't get it. 01:25:57: I haven't been watching. 01:25:59: So I could not tell you. 01:26:00: I'm sure. 01:26:01: I'm sure your template is. 01:26:03: Is. 01:26:03: Was a very good idea. 01:26:04: For sure. 01:26:06: It probably didn't help the fact that. 01:26:08: I walked into my house about. 01:26:09: Less than 10 minutes before it started the stream. 01:26:13: All right. 01:26:14: So Joe. 01:26:14: For the. 01:26:15: For the higher. 01:26:17: Resistors. 01:26:17: That goes. 01:26:18: There are 2.2 kilohms. 01:26:20: Right. 01:26:20: Yes. 01:26:21: The one with the three red bands. 01:26:23: And those. 01:26:23: And they go on. 01:26:25: The green. 01:26:26: Green. 01:26:26: Blue. 01:26:27: And pink. 01:26:28: Or purple. 01:26:28: If you want to call it. 01:26:30: They actually look purple. 01:26:31: When you light them up. 01:26:34: You sure they go on the purple. 01:26:36: That's not what you said in my instructions. 01:26:38: The instructions are incorrect. 01:26:40: The next version. 01:26:41: The instructions will have that corrected. 01:26:45: Okay. 01:26:48: And they go to the. 01:26:52: Left. 01:26:53: Of the led. 01:26:54: Is that correct? 01:26:55: Yep. 01:26:56: If you look very carefully. 01:26:57: You can see on the board. 01:26:59: The number matches. 01:27:01: On each set. 01:27:03: Nope. 01:27:04: So like D. 01:27:05: E5 would have. 01:27:06: R E5. 01:27:07: And it's below. 01:27:07: And to the left. 01:27:08: Yep. 01:27:10: Okay. 01:27:10: Gotcha. 01:27:17: Before you solder in the pink ones. 01:27:19: Though. 01:27:19: Let me double check. 01:27:20: Make sure my count is correct. 01:27:21: On that. 01:27:23: I could be completely wrong. 01:27:25: I don't think I am. 01:27:28: Based on my. 01:27:31: I have a design spreadsheet. 01:27:32: Where I was. 01:27:34: Adding up and counting all the components. 01:27:36: And it was indicating that the pinks get. 01:27:38: Get those. 01:27:39: Do be. 01:27:42: Do be. 01:27:44: Do be. 01:27:45: Do be. 01:27:46: Do. 01:27:46: Do. 01:27:51: This is also a good. 01:27:53: Good. 01:27:54: Warm run of the. 01:27:56: The installation. 01:27:57: We have like. 01:27:58: More. 01:27:58: More than just me putting it together. 01:28:00: so it allows us to get an idea of what's wrong in the kit before I start shipping kits out to people. 01:28:07: A good beta testing. Yes. 01:28:12: Patrick Benton ordered a kit. Thank you Patrick. Appreciate that. 01:28:17: Patrick. Joe could you just get that out to him right now and he can just start? 01:28:22: Yeah. That would be interesting. That'd be amazing. 01:28:37: I'm not sure we'd get there in time. 01:28:41: Is it not downloadable? What the kit? Yep. The LEDs are not downloadable. Yeah. 01:28:48: Oh man. We can't 3D print electronics yet. Not yet? Oh man. Actually you can. 01:28:57: I do have and I have pulled around with there is indeed conductive filament you can get. 01:29:03: Can you like 3D print an LED? No. 01:29:08: Oh man. They kind of sort of do that in the manufacturing plant but kind of not. 01:29:13: I'm done too with the LEDs. Yes. The, according to my count, the pink LEDs 01:29:21: do get 01:29:24: the higher value resistors. 01:29:29: All right. So I don't know how to do the next. You're going to have to help me. 01:29:33: Stand them on end Javier. I'll show you if you want. Either you can look at what they're doing or I can 01:29:38: also show you. Yeah. If you look at my look at my chat window you see how I got it folded over. 01:29:46: I don't see your chat window. Okay. 01:29:50: On your channel. I'm looking at the. Not my chat window but my video window. 01:29:56: If you just switch your zoom to where you can see me. Yeah. 01:30:00: Yeah. That's how you fold the resistors over. Okay. 01:30:08: Is that what you were asking? 01:30:10: Um, yeah, but also which one is which you say this ones are what? 01:30:14: Oh, yes, yes, yes. My bad. So the resistor, the larger one with three red bands. 01:30:21: Those go on the green, blue, and pink ones. Okay, so hold on. 01:30:29: On your left hand, I believe. Yes. Yeah. So this go green, what? Green? 01:30:34: Green, blue, and pink. Okay. 01:30:37: And then the other one that's got the blue and green bands. 01:30:42: Goes in red, orange, and yellow. It seems backwards. If you want to think about it mnemonically like that, 01:30:49: the colors are backwards from where they go. Okay. 01:30:51: And the warm colored resistors go to the LED. And these are insides. 01:30:57: What's that? The small ones are insides. 01:31:01: Green, yellow, orange, and red? Yes. 01:31:06: So the three insides. And these are the outsides. Right. Okay. Thanks. 01:31:11: Now the upside is with the resistors, if you get them in wrong, it won't break. 01:31:16: Your color, your brightness will just be weird. So your, it would be that your green, 01:31:21: your green, blue, and pinks would be super duper bright. And the red, orange, and yellow would be really dim. 01:31:28: All right. So let me see. That's not a big deal. I'll fix it either. 01:31:32: Yeah. The resistors are easy to pop out and redo. Okay. When you're done, let me know the front of it. 01:31:40: I'm not sure I understand. Swap your, yeah. Let me see the front. 01:31:48: The front of your, of your board. 01:31:52: Oh, sorry. I'm looking at another video. Okay. And where are the resistors? 01:31:56: Okay. So for HLED, the resistor goes down one row and to the left, a half row. Does that make sense? 01:32:08: Yeah. You can match up the color, the codes on them. 01:32:11: So if you look really closely at the numbering and lettering on the silk screen. Yep. 01:32:17: For example, if you had an LED and D zero one. Yep. If you look down one row and to the left, 01:32:25: you'll see R zero one. Okay. 01:32:28: They match by number. Does that make sense? 01:32:33: Gotcha. Now. Okay. 01:32:41: And they go R zero one. It's in, in D zero one, R zero two, D zero two, and that's it? 01:32:47: Exactly. And they go in the front or in the back? 01:32:50: Um, I would suggest putting them through the front. Okay. 01:32:52: But you can put them through the back if you want, if you want, if you don't want the resistors to show. 01:32:57: With the understanding. However, that, that would preclude using the case that I desire. 01:33:01: Exactly. Yeah. So if you put the resistors through the back, it won't clear the case. 01:33:11: Gotcha. 01:33:14: So that's just, that's one of those build options for you. 01:33:18: You know, if you're, if you're, if you want it to look super techy, you can put them in the, 01:33:22: everything on the front. If you want it to look kind of techy, but not super techy, you can put them on 01:33:25: the back. And then if you want it to look all, all, all fancy and stuff, then you put, then you put them 01:33:30: all through the front, but then use the little, the 3d case and it hides all the electronics. 01:33:38: And if you want a real weird effect, you can put the LEDs on the back. 01:33:41: Yeah, there you go. Just make sure you reverse them so that the pins are still on the left. 01:33:47: Yep. 01:33:47: What do we say about singing? 01:33:58: Oh, sorry. 01:33:59: Singing is good. 01:34:02: I'm just teasing. Come on. 01:34:04: I actually do have to be careful about that. They can copyright strike me. 01:34:08: Literally they'll, they'll, they'll copyright strike me for singing something too long. 01:34:13: Are you kidding? I just, I think you live in the wrong country. 01:34:19: Yeah. 01:34:22: All right. So when I was sat on my LEDs, I filled in a couple of the holes. So for the, for the resistors, 01:34:32: have you done that doors? Yeah, it's okay. I'll just, here's the trick right there. What I'm holding up. 01:34:38: The soldering wick. 01:34:39: Yeah. 01:34:39: Oh, that stuff is good right there for, uh, for, uh, clearing holes. Yeah. 01:34:47: The, uh, the solder's not gonna work too. 01:34:50: Yeah. 01:34:50: You might have to get a good seal though. 01:34:53: Just stand by. 01:34:54: I need another resistor. 01:34:56: Give me a chance to pull up the hot go 301. 01:34:59: Too bad you guys don't have one of these hot go 301s. That's really too bad. 01:35:06: Oh man. Gosh, I need to get one of those. 01:35:08: Oh, something like this. Okay. I got it. 01:35:13: I should look for one of this. Yeah. 01:35:15: Yeah. 01:35:20: Peter, the icon picker says, hi guys. 01:35:23: I have built one of these on myself for the Commodore logo on it. Yeah, that's yeah, absolutely. 01:35:34: What's that? 01:35:35: That's the solder sucker. 01:35:37: Oh, sorry. Oh yeah. 01:35:39: Yep. I filled in a hole as well. So I was clearing it. 01:35:42: I'm just checking all my solder work. I just finished the LEDs. 01:35:47: X or says light bright, making things with light. Yes, absolutely. 01:35:53: Light bright was so much fun as a kid. 01:36:00: Yep. I don't know if X or heard earlier, but one of my ideas was to make this with little 01:36:04: uh, uh, uh, with little, um, sockets so you could replace the LEDs at your leisure and actually 01:36:11: literally make it a light bright. 01:36:15: Non-copyright infringing, of course. 01:36:17: Do do do do do now. You got the theme stuck in my head. 01:36:27: Thanks. 01:36:31: Okay. 01:36:33: There we go. 01:36:37: More soldering. 01:36:41: Right. 01:36:42: Oh, it's like only filled in one of them. 01:36:48: I actually heard this little sucker. 01:36:56: Yep. I hear the manual solder sucker. 01:36:59: I heard the 01:37:00: stuff. 01:37:06: Those work pretty well. 01:37:07: Sometimes. 01:37:09: It all depends on how quick you are. 01:37:10: Yeah. 01:37:11: Yeah. 01:37:14: Come on, do it. 01:37:17: There we go. 01:37:18: I have never been a big fan. 01:37:25: Have you been a big air conditioner? 01:37:31: Sorry. 01:37:34: My dad is the king of dad jokes and I've inherited his dad jokes, so. 01:37:38: That's awesome. 01:37:39: I feel sorry for your kids. 01:37:42: Don't have any. 01:37:42: Woot! 01:37:44: Yes. 01:37:45: Yes. 01:37:45: Okay. 01:37:46: Putting the wooden table behind me, so I'm trusting my audience to let me know if they see flames 01:37:53: coming up behind me. 01:37:56: But only if I look happen to look down at the chat. 01:38:01: I hear someone else desoldering. 01:38:04: Yeah. 01:38:07: I haven't had to do that yet. 01:38:10: Yeah. 01:38:10: Yeah. 01:38:11: Rub it in. 01:38:12: Yeah. 01:38:13: I've done this like 30 times, so I know everything. 01:38:18: Chris, seriously, I thought you were going to totally beat me. 01:38:21: I was watching your live stream of the Apple II assembly and you were just flying along with 01:38:29: the sockets. 01:38:29: I'm like, wow, man. 01:38:32: I'm just taking my time, making sure I do a good job. 01:38:36: Yeah. 01:38:37: It's also, it's part of it is I love building stuff, so I'm never going to go ridiculously 01:38:43: fast. 01:38:43: It's like unwrapping either Christmas or Hanukkah presents. 01:38:46: Yeah. 01:38:47: At least for me, the fun is in the unwrapping. 01:38:49: It drives my wife and my daughter nuts. 01:38:54: Because I'll sit there and take 10 minutes to open a present. 01:38:58: Cold therapy. 01:38:59: Yeah. 01:39:02: Exactly. 01:39:06: I'm going to ask my chat again. 01:39:07: Does anybody hear like weird beeping going on randomly? 01:39:10: I have a Discord chat for Kansas Fest in the background and it keeps telling me people are 01:39:15: sending messages. 01:39:16: I just don't know if that's coming across my audio feed or not. 01:39:19: I don't hear it. 01:39:20: So. 01:39:21: Nope. 01:39:22: It's I don't hear it either. 01:39:22: Okay. 01:39:23: Because I'm not sure how OBS is capturing the audio on my computer. 01:39:28: I don't know if it's pulling that through or not. 01:39:29: Right. 01:39:32: It is one of the things that's going to be interesting with this year's Kansas Fest is 01:39:35: people giving presentations and making sure that they get the audio to work properly. 01:39:40: And I think we're going to run into some, you know, issues, especially if they're trying to. 01:39:44: I know. 01:39:45: I know. 01:39:46: I know. 01:39:46: So we've been, we've been trying to practice. 01:39:48: So this is actually kind of a good practice run anyway, because we're using the 01:39:52: Kansas Fest Zoom account. 01:39:54: So. 01:39:55: Uh oh. 01:39:57: Do you have permission to do that? 01:39:58: You better. 01:39:59: I sort of gave myself permission. 01:40:01: Oh, okay. 01:40:02: Uh oh. 01:40:04: You're in trouble. 01:40:05: Don't tell anybody. 01:40:07: Nobody will know. 01:40:09: Don't tell the rest of the admins who happen to be in the chat watching anyway. 01:40:13: Correct. 01:40:18: Hopefully they won't tell on me. 01:40:22: Who are they going to tell on you too? 01:40:24: Them themselves? 01:40:25: Yeah, exactly. 01:40:26: All right. 01:40:27: Let's see. 01:40:27: What do I have a feeling? 01:40:28: Go for something up. 01:40:30: Do do do do. 01:40:42: Do do do. 01:40:43: Sorry, it went silent. 01:40:44: I had to feel the noise. 01:40:45: Oh. 01:40:46: Yeah. 01:40:46: I'm just thinking again. 01:40:48: You don't want to get an FCC violation for dead air. 01:40:53: This is the room. 01:40:58: So. 01:40:59: Go ahead. 01:41:02: Let's say does anyone know why the FCC finds TV or radio stations for dead air? 01:41:09: Is this a trivia question or an honest question? 01:41:11: No, honest question. 01:41:13: I have no idea. 01:41:13: I don't know. 01:41:16: A good question. 01:41:20: Of course, it only goes to US viewers because obviously no one outside the United States 01:41:24: is going to care about the FCC. 01:41:25: Let's see. 01:41:32: I think I know who that is. 01:41:39: Said he'll wait until the next live Kansas Fest shipping to Canada is just under 52. 01:41:43: Yes. 01:41:44: The shipping for the kit is expensive outside of the United States because I can't use the 01:41:50: excellent in states flat rate shipping for that. 01:41:55: And I didn't want to try to do UPS because that would be even more expensive. 01:42:01: But yeah, I plan to keep these kits for quite a long time. 01:42:05: And the next time I see folks in person, I will bring some with me. 01:42:08: I will bring some with you. 01:42:08: So, you know, not to unsell myself, but if you're in not in the continental United States 01:42:15: and the shipping is exorbitant, that's fine. 01:42:18: No worries. 01:42:20: I'm not selling these to get rich. 01:42:21: I'm selling these to have things for people to have fun putting together and sit on the desk 01:42:29: and look at it and say, hey, that looks pretty. 01:42:31: I told you you wanted to get rich. 01:42:34: What's that? 01:42:37: You told me you wanted to get rich. 01:42:38: Oh, whatever. 01:42:41: The other thing is you can do is if you're ordering and there's other folks in the area 01:42:45: who might be interested, coordinate the order. 01:42:47: It's much cheaper to ship a bunch together. 01:42:51: Because even with the international shipping, I'm still using flat rates. 01:42:56: And so if I can fit it all in the box, it fits in the box. 01:42:59: Yeah, shipping is just really expensive international. 01:43:05: It's unfortunate, even to Canada. 01:43:08: Unless you're shipping to the United States from China and then for some reason it's $5. 01:43:12: I figure they have it out. 01:43:13: Yeah, it's because it's all subsidized. 01:43:18: It helps us all out though, if you think about it. 01:43:20: It certainly can hurt US businesses in competing, but anybody who wants, who buys small electronic 01:43:27: parts, whether you know it or not, you're buying from China. 01:43:29: True. 01:43:30: Yep. 01:43:31: So when like the US withdrawing from the international postal union, because of that complaint will 01:43:37: actually hurt US business, unfortunately, because of their price, their supply price will go up. 01:43:43: Right. 01:43:44: So it's like everything else with international trade, it's double edged sword. 01:43:51: Yep. 01:43:51: I actually almost didn't get all of these components on time for the stream. 01:44:03: I had ordered a lot of the LEDs straight from China through kind of direct Chinese shipper seller stuff. 01:44:12: And those have yet to arrive. 01:44:15: Really? 01:44:15: I haven't got them yet. 01:44:16: I ordered them a month and a half ago and they weren't coming and they weren't coming. 01:44:21: So I, I just, I, I honestly, I have to hopped on eBay and bought the LEDs in bulk that way. 01:44:27: And then those. 01:44:28: That's just the way it works. 01:44:29: Yeah. 01:44:29: That's, that's unfortunately. 01:44:31: And if you watch them and depending on what tracking you have, a lot of the holdup recently is US customs. 01:44:36: If you've been on stream while you've heard me say that before, I've been watching pretty closely. 01:44:40: And it's not just COVID before COVID US customs has been holding up packages for a long time. 01:44:45: And I don't really know why. 01:44:49: Well, probably it's probably all that. 01:44:50: Well, I don't want to drop into politics. 01:44:53: There's reasons. 01:44:54: I'll just, you better be careful. 01:44:55: Yeah. 01:44:56: That's like Kansas fest. 01:44:58: I think the first day we're going to make that pretty clear, you know, 01:45:02: this is to talk about the Apple computer and not politics. 01:45:05: And yeah. 01:45:06: Yep. 01:45:11: Anyway. 01:45:13: Yes. 01:45:13: No politics on stream, please. 01:45:14: Thank you. 01:45:18: There's the little 680 ohm or the 680 or 560s. 01:45:22: I believe they're 560. 01:45:24: How close are you? 01:45:25: All I have to do is solder in the 560s, which are the red, green and red, orange, yellow, 01:45:33: and then I'm done. 01:45:36: I'm just working. 01:45:36: You're probably ahead of me by 30 or 40 minutes, I'm guessing. 01:45:40: Wow. 01:45:45: Guys, you're inflating my ego now. 01:45:49: You got to be careful. 01:45:50: You're already inflated ego? 01:45:53: Yes. 01:45:55: I was going to say, Joe, just get married and we can take care of the problem. 01:45:59: I don't know if you're already married or not. 01:46:02: Oh yeah, I'm married. 01:46:03: There you go. 01:46:04: That's how you deflate your ego. 01:46:06: Yes. 01:46:07: That's why I'm downstairs right now. 01:46:10: I'm in my domain. 01:46:12: Same thing with me. 01:46:13: That's why I'm in my shop. 01:46:14: Yeah. 01:46:15: Yeah. 01:46:15: Yeah. 01:46:16: The only place we got left. 01:46:21: It's funny too, these, the 560 ohm resistors I got, they look like tiny little eighth watt 01:46:30: resistors, but they are quarter watt rated. 01:46:34: Yeah. 01:46:34: It's really amazing. 01:46:36: Some of the stuff, you look at older resistors, they're much bigger. 01:46:40: Some of the newer ones seem to be getting much more efficient. 01:46:43: Yeah. 01:46:46: These are the little 560s here. 01:46:48: I mean, they're probably honestly, they're just, they're probably SMT based technology 01:46:52: that had been adapted for through hole use, if I had to guess. 01:46:58: You probably found it cheaper to adapt the SMT technology than try to 01:47:03: retool a plant or something like that. 01:47:05: Yeah. 01:47:09: It's one of the things I worry about. 01:47:11: I really do enjoy building and I do worry that enthusiast targeted parts will be at some 01:47:18: point hard to get, but it hasn't happened so far. 01:47:20: No, like, you know, the, like the LS series logic chips for just throwing together little 01:47:25: blinky light toys and stuff like that. 01:47:27: You'd figure those would go the way of the Dodo and they'd all be a surface mount, but nope. 01:47:32: I don't think those are going anywhere because there's a lot of military and government stuff 01:47:36: that depends on that stuff for repair. 01:47:37: So I'm just more thinking of like a through hole resistors and things like that. 01:47:45: Oh yeah. 01:47:45: Yeah. 01:47:46: Yeah. 01:47:46: Want them. 01:47:47: Cause they just take up too much room in the board. 01:47:51: But we'll see. 01:47:52: Hope for the best. 01:47:53: Hope for the best. 01:48:05: So does anybody have any experience with Apple threes? 01:48:09: I'm about to. 01:48:11: Oh, are you getting one? 01:48:13: I just, yeah. 01:48:15: I bought one like a month ago. 01:48:19: Sweet. 01:48:20: Very cool. 01:48:20: But a friend of mine has it in, in a close here, but you know, like a few miles up, up 01:48:26: upstate. 01:48:26: So I got to go and pick it up. 01:48:28: Cool. 01:48:28: So you don't have it yet? 01:48:30: Nope. 01:48:30: Okay. 01:48:31: Yeah. 01:48:32: I don't have a lot of experience. 01:48:34: Oh yeah. 01:48:34: Cause Joe, didn't you just get two of them or something weird like that? 01:48:37: Yep. 01:48:38: I traded a couple of my old, um, mid nineties max that I wasn't too fond of. 01:48:43: Yep. 01:48:44: For a couple of, uh, uh, Apple threes, one with a board failure. 01:48:50: And one with a power supply failure, hoping that between the two, I could get one good 01:48:54: one. 01:48:54: Yep. 01:48:55: Played with them over the week, weekend and got them both working. 01:48:59: So. 01:48:59: Oh, he has two good ones. 01:49:01: Yes. 01:49:02: Now the one with the bad power supply, I mean, it still has a bad power supply, but it functions 01:49:07: with a good supply. 01:49:08: So at least to know what it is. 01:49:09: And I've diagnosed the problem with the other one. 01:49:12: Yep. 01:49:12: Uh, one of those, uh, Hey Joel, I was just about ready to mention you, your order is in. 01:49:18: Thank you. 01:49:18: Uh, one of those came from him. 01:49:20: Uh, he, he had sold it to, um, Brit Dodd. 01:49:24: Yep. 01:49:26: And then I, I traded my max for those Apple threes. 01:49:32: Cool. 01:49:32: Uh, earlier than we earlier in the week. 01:49:35: So. 01:49:37: Apple three is really a maligned machine. 01:49:39: I remember when they came out and I remember the complaints and. 01:49:42: Yeah. 01:49:43: We actually, I had one, uh, we had a three plus in fact, at my high school. 01:49:48: And unfortunately I didn't have any software for it, but I thought it was a neat machine. 01:49:51: I took it apart and I, I appreciate some things about the engineering and three plus actually 01:49:56: decent machine. 01:49:57: Yeah. 01:49:57: They really didn't have any of the problems with the regular three, but they're rare. 01:50:02: Yeah. 01:50:02: Let's see. 01:50:02: You took apart the, uh, you took apart the school's computer. 01:50:06: Uh, I, that was actually my job. 01:50:07: I maintained the computer lab, both the library. 01:50:11: Yep. 01:50:12: So yeah. 01:50:12: Sure. 01:50:13: Cool. 01:50:16: Yep. 01:50:16: Well, you know, when we were kids, if you think about it, there weren't enough, uh, teachers 01:50:19: out there who knew how to do this stuff. 01:50:21: So they had to get students to do it. 01:50:23: That's true. 01:50:26: That is true. 01:50:27: So one of the things I think kids miss miss out on nowadays, because, uh, I, I got a lot 01:50:35: out of that. 01:50:35: I get to know a lot of teachers and. 01:50:38: Don't start me on that. 01:50:41: Hmm. 01:50:43: What do you think Javier? 01:50:45: I'm just, you know, sick and tired of kids are, they think they know computers. 01:50:51: And, uh, just like my kid, you know, he was like, Oh, I know this. 01:50:56: And you don't know how to use this and that. 01:50:57: And I, you know, I went to the router and disconnected her and I say, okay, show me more. 01:51:02: And she was. 01:51:03: I can TikTok. 01:51:09: You can't TikTok. 01:51:10: I'm like, yeah, well. 01:51:12: You cannot either. 01:51:13: Uh huh. 01:51:14: Uh huh. 01:51:15: Uh huh. 01:51:15: Uh huh. 01:51:16: Uh huh. 01:51:16: You're like, darn kids, get off my lawn. 01:51:19: Exactly. 01:51:20: That's me. 01:51:20: Get off my land. 01:51:21: Uh huh. 01:51:23: Uh huh. 01:51:25: Uh huh. 01:51:26: Uh huh. 01:51:27: Uh huh. 01:51:28: Uh huh. 01:51:29: Yeah. 01:51:30: Uh huh. 01:51:30: Uh huh. 01:51:31: I was one of those lucky kids too, that, uh, was interested in the computer stuff early 01:51:36: on and just taught myself everything. 01:51:38: Yeah. 01:51:38: Uh huh. 01:51:39: I learned, uh, pretty much everything about, uh, PCs. 01:51:43: PCs are my, uh, career. 01:51:45: Cool. 01:51:46: Fortunately or unfortunately, however you want to look at it, but, um, I learned tons 01:51:51: about PCs by just begging my parents to get me a subscription to PC magazine. 01:51:57: Um, and that's a good idea. 01:51:59: That's just, that's a wise thing. 01:52:01: I had a subscription for two years and learned tons about Windows 95 and the registry and all 01:52:06: of that stuff without even ever touching a computer. 01:52:09: Wow. 01:52:10: And by the time I had a Windows PC in 96. 01:52:15: I think it was. 01:52:17: I could, I was able to hack the registry, make system changes. 01:52:22: I'd learned how to do basic diagnostics, all that stuff, just from, just from reading stuff. 01:52:27: That's really cool. 01:52:28: That's a good idea. 01:52:31: But, uh, I'm kind of one of those weird people that can, I can read a technical document, 01:52:35: be interested, completely enthralled and absorb it. 01:52:38: But you put me down in front of a novel and I fall asleep. 01:52:40: Yeah. 01:52:41: Yeah. 01:52:41: Yeah. 01:52:42: Yeah. 01:52:43: Yeah. 01:52:43: Well, I, I can sympathize there too, because, you know, even though I had a computer fairly 01:52:47: young because the computers were very expensive when I was, uh, young, most of the things like 01:52:53: PCs and, um, I had access to some max again, as I mentioned before we started the stream, 01:52:59: my mother is a semi-retired publisher. 01:53:02: So, um, and she's workaholic. 01:53:04: So she used to take me to work with her in the evenings and weekends. 01:53:07: Mm-hmm. 01:53:08: And I got to touch a lot of high-end Mac hardware that way, but I never would have touched. 01:53:15: But other than that, it was just really expensive. 01:53:16: So I spent a lot of the stuff I did, I read about in the library, machines that I never touch. 01:53:20: Yeah. 01:53:21: Yeah. 01:53:21: That's how I learned much, everything I knew about Unix to begin with. 01:53:24: And Unix is my career. 01:53:27: Yep. 01:53:29: Unix. 01:53:32: Yeah. 01:53:32: I got big into, I don't know Unix per se, but I got kind of big into Linux, uh, around 99, 01:53:41: 2000 or so. 01:53:44: Whenever people try and draw a distinction between Unix and Linux, they're being silly. 01:53:47: Yeah. 01:53:48: Um, it's one of those things that's just, whenever people argue with me about that or 01:53:52: like, nah, Unix is, is Unix. 01:53:55: It doesn't, trademark is not what's important. 01:53:58: And, you know, they're very similar in some, in the, the conceptual operation. 01:54:06: Um, and Linux is, Linux is a, is a Unix. 01:54:10: Yes. 01:54:12: So, so, you know, if, I mean, if you really want to dig into, into this, 01:54:16: this, this, then to the distinctions, you're, you're getting really low level there. 01:54:19: You know, the way they operate at like the kind of the curly level is different, but. 01:54:23: It depends though. 01:54:25: If you think about it, for example, people will say Mac OS 10 or Mac OS 11 now, I suppose. 01:54:30: Yeah. 01:54:31: Um, is, is a Unix, but it's a microkernel. 01:54:34: Yes. 01:54:35: So it's really different than say Solaris. 01:54:38: True. 01:54:39: True. 01:54:39: True. 01:54:40: True. 01:54:40: And anyone knows their history also will know that, uh, Linux is explicitly a Solaris clone. 01:54:44: That's indeed what Linus Torvalds said when he created it. 01:54:51: So it is definitely Unix. 01:54:54: Cool. 01:54:57: Well, I will not argue that point any further with the man who works for Red Hat. 01:55:02: So. 01:55:07: Although people will say that now that you've told them I work for Red Hat, people will call me the sellout. 01:55:11: Miguel de Casa? 01:55:17: What'd you say Javier? 01:55:18: If you know Miguel de Casa. 01:55:21: I've never met him. 01:55:22: Uh, he's a really cool guy that I have a lot of respect for his work. 01:55:25: Do you know him? 01:55:26: Yeah. 01:55:28: He's, uh, the, the same group that I was in Mexico City. 01:55:32: The hacker. 01:55:33: Yeah. 01:55:33: I remember when the, the whole discussion about the, his work with, uh, Noam and Mono and all that stuff. 01:55:39: I love it. 01:55:40: I watched all that. 01:55:42: Yeah. 01:55:42: A lot of people used to call him a sellout because of Mono. 01:55:45: Nah. 01:55:46: It has nothing to do with it. 01:55:47: It's, it's, anything's good. 01:55:50: Good work is good work. 01:55:51: And Mono is, is really allowed a lot of stuff to be easily moved from Windows to Linux. 01:55:57: And again, look who's supporting Mono nowadays. 01:55:59: It's a partnership between Red Hat and Microsoft. 01:56:02: Yeah. 01:56:02: Yeah. 01:56:08: It's a, I mean, the space is, uh, the space is, uh, demonolithized so much that 01:56:16: Microsoft, you know, they, how can I put it? 01:56:19: Linux has always kind of been. 01:56:22: And the Unix has definitely been heavy in that server space and the 01:56:26: in combination with Oracle, with the high end big data stuff and all that. 01:56:29: Microsoft wants a piece of the pie. 01:56:32: And they realized that the old Bill Gates old way of doing it just didn't going to work. 01:56:37: Right. 01:56:37: Uh, the world. 01:56:39: Well, and Bill himself realized that pretty quickly. 01:56:41: I think it was the people who came after him who didn't understand because he learned. 01:56:46: If you look at some of the things he wrote in some of his articles, he, he did learn. 01:56:49: He certainly was the original one who the businesses wore a lot of Jack Trammell. 01:56:53: Uh, but 01:56:59: He, he definitely learned. 01:57:00: He's an interesting guy. 01:57:01: The current CEO of Microsoft is interesting too. 01:57:03: I have, I have seen him. 01:57:05: I didn't get a chance to meet him. 01:57:06: He was at our big red hat event last year and I was there too, but I had to go man the booth 01:57:12: and get a chance to chat with him. 01:57:15: Yeah. 01:57:16: Yeah. 01:57:16: I have a lot of respect for him. 01:57:19: Yeah. 01:57:19: He's done a lot, a lot to push things forward in kind of, um, again, 01:57:25: de-homogenize the window space and make it more open and accessible to, 01:57:31: to folks who didn't think about that before. 01:57:33: And that's made them a lot of money. 01:57:36: So it's, it's clearly with the smart decisions. 01:57:42: Absolutely. 01:57:47: Again, I'm, I'm a Unix as they come. 01:57:49: I am, uh, I am a tattooed Unix lover and I, I will say Microsoft is, is fun to work with. 01:57:54: I like, uh, whenever I get a chance to talk to their engineers, I always enjoy it. 01:57:58: On the actual implementation side, I've always been a fan of Microsoft's, uh, how can I put it? 01:58:10: For small, uh, installations anyway, I've always been a, uh, more of a fan of Microsoft's implementation 01:58:16: of virtualization over say like VMware's way of doing it. 01:58:22: Um, because it's more geared to, 01:58:28: I don't know how to put it. It, it, I find it easier to manage. 01:58:32: Well, I have never tried to manage Hyper-V. Um, I do use Azure on a fairly regular basis and 01:58:39: Azure is nicely designed. 01:58:42: It's a lot more approachable for someone who doesn't have a big history and virtualization. 01:58:47: It looks very much like what you're used to in Windows and some of the way they did things. 01:58:51: Um, it was just, it's easier to understand and especially than what Amazon did, I think. 01:58:56: Yeah. 01:58:59: All right. So Joey, where do the other, um, 01:59:04: 2.2 kilohm resistors go? They go on the... 01:59:06: The 2.2s go on green, blue, and pink. 01:59:10: Pink or purple, right? 01:59:13: Or purple, yeah. 01:59:15: They're technically pink LEDs because real purple LEDs don't look purple. 01:59:20: They look like the weird glowing orbs that are going to burn your eyeballs out. 01:59:24: Yeah. And actually I have some of those. 01:59:27: Uh, Joe had sent me some to test with and I don't think like the result. 01:59:31: Yeah. So I went with pink because, um, it, it fits, it just works better. They're actually bright. 01:59:37: You can see them. They don't look weird. 01:59:40: Um, and they're not like a lurid pink. They're not like a light, like... 01:59:45: They remind you of your ponies, your pink ponies? 01:59:48: Yeah. 01:59:50: They're not a... 01:59:50: Gosh. 01:59:54: Valentine pink. That's what I was going for. 01:59:56: Yeah. 01:59:56: They're purpley. 01:59:58: Cool. 01:59:59: They're kind of like a fuchsia. 02:00:02: The industry calls them pink, but they're more of a fuchsia color. 02:00:06: And when you, after you light it up, you can see that it kind of fits the apple color scheme anyway. 02:00:12: So... 02:00:12: The problem is they cost twice as much for whatever reason. 02:00:18: So it's like, okay, well, whatever. 02:00:26: I can use real purple LEDs, but I have to use like 100 ohm resistors to get them super bright so you can see them. 02:00:34: Cool. 02:00:34: And then they'll probably end up burning out because they'd be running like 40 or 50 milliamps, which is way above the rating. 02:00:42: Right. Yeah. 02:00:44: So what, in terms of like people getting power supplies for this thing, if they do their own, what... 02:00:49: Oh yeah. 02:00:50: It's just USB, right? So it's just five volts? 02:00:52: Yeah, it's just five volts USB. 02:00:54: For me, I would suggest using a two amp supply. One of the more modern two amp chargers would work just fine. 02:01:01: And if you get the kit on my website, it is, you can order it with a two amp charger. 02:01:06: Cool. 02:01:09: A standard iPhone charger in theory should work and I've tested it with one and it does work. 02:01:16: My, the Apple II kit itself runs at about approximately 500 milliamps. So that's about right for a standard USB charger. 02:01:31: But, you know, if you're going to supply your own, I would suggest two amps just in case. 02:01:36: Because if you're going to say, if you're going to make a light panel and you're going to have all white LEDs, 02:01:40: and then you put really low resistor values in it, you're going to be cranking up the amperage usage. 02:01:48: And so that's a thing. 02:01:50: I also don't have any sort of special... 02:01:54: How can I put it? 02:01:56: The data lines on the USB connector down here are just bridged over, which is standard when using USB for power. 02:02:05: Which means that your brick is just going to output whatever its default is usually in that case. 02:02:10: The USB bricks are actually kind of intelligent. They use the... 02:02:18: A resistance value across the data pins when they're in power mode to determine how much current to actually provide. 02:02:24: Right. 02:02:24: If it's an intelligent adapter. 02:02:26: And instead of trying to figure out what that resistor value is or whatever, typically use bridge them across. 02:02:33: It's also important to note that when you put the USB power jack, when you solder it in, you solder it to the front of the board. 02:02:45: Because if you solder it on the back of the board, you'll actually be providing... 02:02:48: You'll be shorting the power and ground directly. 02:02:51: And you're going to have a bad day. 02:02:57: If memory... 02:02:58: Yep. 02:02:59: Yep. 02:03:01: And there's no protection in there against that. 02:03:04: There could be some... 02:03:05: We could have put some protection, but... 02:03:07: You know, for this low amperage, it's not usually a huge deal. 02:03:10: Just things that definitely won't work. 02:03:11: You'll... 02:03:12: Yeah, what would probably happen is you'll just trip the power supply out and it won't turn on. 02:03:16: But there is a possibility if you've got like some cheapy Chinese power supply that doesn't have any built-in over voltage or over amperage protection in it, 02:03:25: that you could end up blowing up the supply or blowing out a trace or something like that. 02:03:30: So... 02:03:32: Yeah. 02:03:32: Maybe I should try that on one of my prototype boards. 02:03:41: Solder it in backwards and just power it on and see what happens. 02:03:44: Just so you can document? 02:03:45: Yeah. 02:03:46: Just see if it catches fire or not. 02:03:50: Hold on. 02:03:51: I need to go to Walmart and get a fire extinguisher. 02:03:53: I'll be right back. 02:03:57: Awesome. 02:04:00: Or fireworks. 02:04:02: Yeah. 02:04:06: I did that for my co-workers actually when I got my bench power supply for the first time. 02:04:11: I took it into the shop and put a tiny little electrolytic across it. 02:04:16: Reverse polarity at 30 volts, five amps. 02:04:21: Blew it up. 02:04:23: I mean, how else are you going to test it, but except by turning off all the protection and like over currenting the thing, right? 02:04:30: Yep. 02:04:30: Yeah. 02:04:33: That's fun too, putting resistors across 120 volts and then turning the switch on. 02:04:43: Yeah. 02:04:43: In case anybody is listening to that, I do not suggest you do that at home. 02:04:50: Oh. 02:04:52: In case there, you know, there are any, any young, fragile, suggestible minds out there like, oh, that'll be cool. 02:05:01: Yeah. 02:05:01: Don't do that. 02:05:06: All right. 02:05:07: I am getting done with the red resistors here. 02:05:11: Do we, oh, I'm doing it again. 02:05:21: Singing again. 02:05:21: There are people on the, on the chat. 02:05:24: There's a few people. 02:05:25: There's a few people. 02:05:26: Yeah. 02:05:26: There's some. 02:05:27: Yeah. 02:05:28: I haven't been paying attention to that. 02:05:29: I'm, I'm awful. 02:05:31: Nope. 02:05:32: They're, yeah, they're hanging in there. 02:05:34: Herb is still on there. 02:05:35: Eric, Mike. 02:05:36: Yeah. 02:05:36: There's a reason I don't have any followers. 02:05:38: How many do you have on your channel right now, Chris? 02:05:48: Like, uh, 20. 02:05:52: Yeah. 02:05:52: You're, you're so much more popular than me. 02:05:55: I have seven. 02:05:57: Yeah. 02:05:58: But that's because yours didn't start out like quite right. 02:06:02: I had to jump ship and go to you to hear me. 02:06:04: And you have more like overall subscribers. 02:06:08: So what's up with that? 02:06:09: I don't know. 02:06:13: I didn't think this would be interesting. 02:06:16: I hope whoever the 20 concurrent viewers are, please hit the subscribe button. 02:06:23: On my channel. 02:06:25: Actually, you can subscribe to both. 02:06:27: Yeah. 02:06:27: I don't care about me. 02:06:29: Oh, where, where's your, where's your link? 02:06:34: Hey, I'm like that meme of that, that child that they asked him and he's laughing and then he cries. 02:06:41: I'm like that. 02:06:47: All right. 02:06:48: I'm going to go look up your channel and I'll put the link into this, into the chat. 02:06:52: How's that? 02:06:54: You better. 02:06:55: Yeah. 02:06:55: Hold on. 02:06:57: Your username on YouTube, I think is El Havo. 02:07:01: Yep. 02:07:02: On where? 02:07:04: Yeah. 02:07:06: No, I'm Hav Master. 02:07:08: Oh, no, Hav Master. 02:07:09: Yeah, El Havo is something else. 02:07:10: That's right. 02:07:10: I'll have it somewhere else. 02:07:13: That's his secret password, which you've just given away, Joe. 02:07:17: The one for dominating the world. 02:07:19: Yeah. 02:07:19: What are we going to do tonight, Brian? 02:07:22: Brian? 02:07:22: Brian? 02:07:22: Brian? 02:07:23: Try to take over the world. 02:07:28: Kudos on anybody who knows what that's a reference to. 02:07:31: Of course, it's Pinky and the Brain. 02:07:33: Everybody knows Pinky and the Brain. 02:07:35: Aha! 02:07:39: What about Ren and Stimpy? 02:07:44: Yeah. 02:07:44: Oh, there's an awesome video out there on YouTube of the two of them. 02:07:48: It's, is it Phil LaMarche and the other gentleman whose name I can't remember. 02:07:55: But yeah, the two guys who do the Pinky and the Brain, they were at a Comic-Con or something. 02:08:00: They did a panel and they did a, how can I say, adult themed Pinky and the Brain skit. 02:08:08: And it's kind of funny to hear Brain use words that you never heard him use on television before. 02:08:23: Luis LaMarche. 02:08:24: Is that his name? 02:08:25: I don't remember. 02:08:26: But, but yeah. 02:08:30: And I am almost done guys. 02:08:32: Thanks. 02:08:33: Very cool. 02:08:34: So, Joe, we're coming up on like, oh, actually we're over two hours now. 02:08:38: Wow. 02:08:38: So, if we, I got a question. 02:08:41: I was thinking, if you're done, you could solder in, solder in your DC jack. 02:08:50: We can solder ours in right now, can't we? And just try what we've got? 02:08:55: Absolutely, you can. 02:08:56: So, we could just do that and then wrap it up. 02:09:00: Sure, sounds good. 02:09:02: All right, let me, let me finish soldering in the rest of these resistors and then I'll do my, 02:09:08: I'll do the DC jack. 02:09:09: After about two hours, yeah, the attention span kind of drops. I get it. 02:09:14: Yeah, either that or else it's the solder fumes. 02:09:17: Yeah. 02:09:22: Oh, I'm just breathing them in heavily, man. 02:09:24: All right. 02:09:26: So, let's see, I did have one person, Dio Nalium, who says that the key to singing 02:09:34: on streams is to be incredibly off key. 02:09:36: Yeah, there you go. 02:09:37: So, I don't know if that keeps the YouTube, uh, 02:09:43: happy, but maybe. 02:09:50: Almost. 02:09:52: All the resistors are in. 02:09:56: Yes. 02:09:58: Okay. 02:10:00: Final part that goes in is the USB jack thingy. 02:10:07: This actually just snaps in place and it holds itself in place really well. 02:10:13: Yeah, which is nice. 02:10:14: That goes to the front, isn't it? 02:10:16: What's that? 02:10:16: That goes to the front? 02:10:17: Yes, it goes to the front. 02:10:18: Correct. 02:10:18: That's correct. 02:10:19: Yes. 02:10:22: You put it through the back, it'll, you'll have a bad day. 02:10:34: Okay. 02:10:34: Okay. 02:10:36: That's all in. 02:10:39: Here's the fun part, putting 45,000 pounds of solder on the big joints. 02:10:45: Yeah. 02:10:45: Yeah. 02:10:46: The biggest, the fun thing I've always found is the, the retention lugs on, uh, 02:10:50: DB and DB style connectors. 02:10:56: All right. 02:10:57: Where's the little jack here. 02:10:59: Here it is. 02:10:59: Should be. 02:11:01: Should be. 02:11:01: Yeah. 02:11:04: In a separate, I think I put it in with the resistors. 02:11:07: Yes, you did. 02:11:08: Okay. 02:11:09: That is all together. 02:11:11: Making sure I clear everything underneath so I don't short anything. 02:11:14: Let's see how good I did. 02:11:15: Wait, wait, wait. 02:11:17: Don't do it yet. 02:11:19: I'm still soldering. 02:11:20: What? 02:11:21: I win. 02:11:22: I still don't know how I had to do that whole. 02:11:27: I had to re redo all those wires or I had to pull all the LEDs out and move them. 02:11:37: Apparently you're just speedy. 02:11:41: He did not. 02:11:44: All righty then. 02:11:45: Let's see. 02:11:45: I'm gonna do the same thing. 02:11:49: Right. 02:12:00: All right. 02:12:00: Got the, got the jack plugged in. 02:12:05: Okay. 02:12:06: I mean, soldering at least. 02:12:08: Oh wait, I should cut up the straight wires here. 02:12:13: Probably a good idea. 02:12:15: Yeah. 02:12:15: Right. 02:12:15: Here goes nothing. 02:12:18: I'm gonna do it. 02:12:19: Do it. 02:12:20: Where am I? 02:12:21: Well, I don't see my video. 02:12:24: Hold on. 02:12:24: What? 02:12:26: Yeah, here it is. 02:12:28: All right, kids. 02:12:30: Ready to see something blow off? 02:12:33: Yeah. 02:12:34: The upside with the LEDs is when they blow up, they just don't work. 02:12:37: Oh shoot. 02:12:38: Nine times out of 10, nothing happens. 02:12:39: Doesn't work. 02:12:40: Did it work? 02:12:41: Anything? 02:12:42: Nope. 02:12:45: What? 02:12:46: No. 02:12:48: I suspect it's time to troubleshoot. 02:12:50: And it may well be, uh, Javier, the power supply you used may have turned itself off. 02:12:54: So if you get out your, uh, multimeter. 02:12:57: Here's my power supply. 02:13:01: It's a, an iPhone thingy. 02:13:02: That's exactly what I was gonna use. 02:13:05: Yeah. 02:13:09: I have, I'm for my, uh, prototype up there that I have, uh, uh, up above that I keep on my shelf in 02:13:15: the back, back of all my videos. 02:13:17: It's running off of a, of a, uh, an iPhone supply and it's using smaller resistors than this. 02:13:24: So it should, it should be fine. 02:13:25: Same as mine, right? 02:13:27: I assume, Joe. 02:13:28: Yep. 02:13:29: I'm gonna try and plug mine in. 02:13:30: Are we ready? 02:13:35: So you don't actually win the contest if your, uh, if your board didn't work yet. 02:13:38: Oh, they work and mine doesn't. 02:13:42: Yay. 02:13:45: Nice job. 02:13:46: Greetings. 02:13:47: Nice job, guys. 02:13:48: Awesome. 02:13:50: So who's our official winner? 02:13:52: Is it Joe? 02:13:53: Well, it can't be me. 02:13:54: It's my board. 02:13:55: It certainly can. 02:13:57: Mine's not done. 02:13:59: I gotta do this. 02:14:00: But, but I, you know, I cheated though. 02:14:01: That's a new work. 02:14:04: You'll get there. 02:14:10: Joe, I gotta say, this is still a pretty bright board. 02:14:14: Yeah, it is pretty bright. 02:14:16: You can, I'll hold it up to the, yeah. 02:14:19: That's. 02:14:20: But it's, you know, it's a, how can I put it? 02:14:25: Oh no. 02:14:26: One of my, oh, do you see that? 02:14:29: Nope. 02:14:30: See my boot, that blue LED? 02:14:32: Oh yeah. 02:14:33: So I don't win. 02:14:35: Oh, you went too fast. 02:14:36: Well, you gotta fix it. 02:14:38: Just go back and fix it. 02:14:39: That was humorous. 02:14:43: I think it's just the resistor. 02:14:45: The, uh, the resistor values are, are a thing. 02:14:49: Um, there we go. 02:14:51: It's fixed. 02:14:51: I, I, if you put them too dim. 02:14:54: Um, it can be kind of hard to enjoy because it kind of just mixes in the background. 02:14:59: You can't see it. 02:15:00: But if they're too bright, then you can't look at it because then, you know, it's blinded, 02:15:06: blinding me with science, you know, Thomas Dolby. 02:15:08: Um, so yeah. 02:15:12: If, if you're building one of these kits your own and you want to substitute the resistors, 02:15:16: you can put higher resistor values in there. 02:15:19: Um, going up in like to the 3k range, um, and do maybe like a 1k instead of the 560s. 02:15:25: Um, which would, you know, dim that down quite a bit. 02:15:28: If you're super sciencey, you can go and do math and figure out, you know, actual current values 02:15:35: and do all that stuff if you like. 02:15:36: So. 02:15:38: I like it. 02:15:39: It's nice. 02:15:40: Um, 02:15:41: 2.3 02:15:45: You're only getting like, what, like three volts or so? 02:15:47: Yeah. 02:15:49: Either you have something crossed or your supply can't provide enough current. 02:15:55: Okay. 02:15:59: Take out the big guns. 02:16:02: Javier, look at, look at your supply. 02:16:04: It looks identical to mine. 02:16:05: Is it like a 10 watt iPhone adapter? 02:16:10: Yeah. 02:16:10: That's what mine is. 02:16:12: And it seemed to have no problem. 02:16:15: All right. 02:16:15: I got this guy. 02:16:17: It goes up to 12. 02:16:20: Shall we crank it all the way up? 02:16:22: Yep. 02:16:22: Go for it. 02:16:23: Either going to work or we're going to see smoke. 02:16:25: If he disappears, it means his entire room lost power. 02:16:29: Wow. 02:16:30: Wow. 02:16:34: So it's five bolts. 02:16:36: Okay. 02:16:37: There it is. 02:16:38: Okay. 02:16:39: And I got to look for a connector. 02:16:42: Who knows how to dial 911 in Miami? 02:16:44: Yep. 02:16:45: Yep. 02:16:46: You don't want to. 02:16:46: I think it still starts with nine and ends with one. 02:16:49: It's Flory the man. 02:16:50: Oh, God. 02:16:54: Of course, the next thing is I clearly came into this unprepared because I don't think I brought a USB power supply down here. 02:17:02: Oh, no. 02:17:02: Oh, no. 02:17:03: Yep. 02:17:04: Do you need me to send you one? 02:17:05: Yep. 02:17:06: Yep. 02:17:06: Please. 02:17:07: I lost instant mail. 02:17:09: Instant mail. 02:17:10: Yes. 02:17:12: Yeah, I do think the pink LEDs do a good job. 02:17:15: They do a good job of capturing the purple. 02:17:17: Yep. 02:17:18: Yep. 02:17:19: I like it. 02:17:20: I like it. 02:17:20: Here, I'll put it on the big one. 02:17:25: Yep. 02:17:27: What frustrates me a little bit is that the yellow and orange LEDs are very close in color because that's just kind of how yellow and orange LEDs are. 02:17:35: Sucks. 02:17:37: So if you're not expecting it specifically. 02:17:42: Yeah. 02:17:44: Cool. 02:17:44: Cool. 02:17:47: So. 02:17:49: Well, should we wrap up? 02:17:51: I think we've done and had a fun time. 02:17:56: Yep. 02:17:56: Hanging out together, putting together an Apple II kit, especially before KFest. 02:18:02: It's been really cool. 02:18:03: Before we finish up here, let me power mine up. 02:18:06: We got one more here. 02:18:08: Okay, let's do it. 02:18:10: Yep. 02:18:11: But. 02:18:14: Hold on. 02:18:17: So, yeah, if anybody's interested in one of these kits who's listened to the live stream, either on mine or over on Chris's channel, you can go to jcm-one.com and pick one of those up. 02:18:29: It's a really fun kit to build. 02:18:32: Unfortunately, I can't sell it pre-built for obvious copyright reasons. 02:18:37: You have to make it yourself. 02:18:38: I'm just telling you a specific assortment of LEDs that can be arranged however you like. 02:18:43: And if it happens to be a certain kind of logo, then it happens to be a certain kind of logo. 02:18:48: Yeah! 02:18:49: Light! 02:18:50: Woo! 02:18:51: I've got one LED sound lighting, I'll still check. 02:18:53: But other than that, it looks good. 02:18:55: It looks like I've got one orange mixed in the reds. 02:18:58: Uh-oh. 02:19:00: Is that my point? 02:19:00: I'm blaming that on you. 02:19:01: I'm blaming that on you. 02:19:03: Okay. 02:19:03: I'll take blame. 02:19:08: Cool. 02:19:08: Hey, Joe, I got a question for you. 02:19:10: Sure. 02:19:11: So, Kansas Fest, if people want to do some sort of Stodder Fest thing on Friday evening, 02:19:17: is that something you could pop in and see how they're doing? 02:19:20: Sure. 02:19:21: Okay. 02:19:21: Absolutely. 02:19:23: We can throw that out on you. 02:19:24: Throw it out in the Discord and see if people are interested and 02:19:27: just get like a Zoom meeting room together or something like that. 02:19:30: Sure. 02:19:33: Absolutely. 02:19:34: Yep. 02:19:38: So, I'm going to have a presentation at K Fest as well. 02:19:41: So, keep an eye out for that. 02:19:42: That's kind of tangentially related to this. 02:19:45: So, yeah. 02:19:47: I think it was fun to hang out together. 02:19:49: I want to thank everybody who stopped by to watch the stream and hang out with the 02:19:53: four of us and put this together. 02:19:55: Thanks, Chris, for hosting the meeting. 02:19:57: Thanks, Javier, for being you. 02:20:02: I'm kidding. 02:20:04: Alex, thank you. 02:20:05: Again, I want to thank you for helping me with the design of both the board and 3D. 02:20:09: Ooh! 02:20:09: We forgot to show that. 02:20:11: The 3D case. 02:20:12: Again, the 3D case, Alex designed that. 02:20:16: Kind of designed to look a little bit like a classic Mac kind of design. 02:20:22: That is also available for download. 02:20:26: So, if you buy one of the kits and you have your own 3D printer, 02:20:29: you can download the design file for this and print it yourself. 02:20:34: So, you don't have to wait six billion weeks for us to be able to print one out and get it out to you. 02:20:43: Cool. 02:20:43: All right. 02:20:44: And I guess next episode, we'll be debugging Javier's LED bright. 02:20:49: I got no light. 02:20:52: Did it work? 02:20:53: Yeah, you got one. 02:20:55: Oh, you're cheating. 02:20:56: Okay. 02:21:00: Cool. 02:21:01: That's awesome. 02:21:04: Awesome. 02:21:05: Well, thanks for stopping by, everybody. 02:21:07: And I hope you all had a wonderful time. 02:21:09: And everybody have a great evening. 02:21:12: All right. 02:21:13: Good night, everybody. 02:21:14: Thanks very much. 02:21:15: Thank you. 02:21:16: Bye, guys. 02:21:16: Take care. 02:21:17: Bye-bye. 02:21:18: Bye. 02:21:19: Can't wait to see everyone at KFest. 02:21:27: Oh, yeah. 02:21:27: Yep. 02:21:28: Thank you. 02:21:28: Adios.